tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post1532669387242769010..comments2024-03-29T02:19:19.866-04:00Comments on Mike Norman Economics: Karl Fitzgerald - US Financial Imperialism – Protected by Academic Propagandamike normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03296006882513340747noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-16199158379172485682018-06-16T11:07:31.361-04:002018-06-16T11:07:31.361-04:00Neither libertarianism nor Austrian economics cont...Neither libertarianism nor Austrian economics contains ANY positive duties. Those are left to other realms of thought and analysis. People are always free to create any "safety net" they think wise. It is "progressives" who believe that people will lack the consensus to voluntarily create such a safety net and so society requires a vast army of cops, paddy wagons and jails to force people to do what they think they will not do without the threat of violence. <br /><br /><i>Human societies are collective for that reason</i><br /><br />This accusation is completely bass-ackwards. Actually, MMT is based upon a view of a permanent and perpetual lack of consensus and a permanent inability to engage in voluntary collective action. MMTers not only doubt the ability of society to create a voluntary consensus, they even doubt the ability to create a majority rule voting consensus regarding appropriate levels taxing and spending. The power mad dogs who run the government must be given exclusive authority to create funny money out of nothing in order to "provision the government" because society necessarily lacks the ability to come to a consensus about much of anything (MMTers claim).<br /><br />Lbertarians believe that people can and do come to a voluntary consensus about what needs to be done collectively. "Progressives" do not believe that and therefore insist upon relentless violent intervention 10x a day by the cops, bureaucrats, soldiers and prison guards.Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-36000549954213169832018-06-16T08:48:57.445-04:002018-06-16T08:48:57.445-04:00Austrian economics will leave the poor to rot. No ...Austrian economics will leave the poor to rot. No one likes it, not even conservatives, because they don't want no safety net at all. Human societies are collective for that reason, because any of us can fall on bad luck. The world's a tough place. Kaiveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04195639305785321786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-59187272978757772952018-06-15T14:32:31.439-04:002018-06-15T14:32:31.439-04:00@ Konrad
But you don't understand Austrian ec...<i>@ Konrad<br /><br />But you don't understand Austrian economics (snark).</i><br /><br />You don't. And you are proud of it.Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-38477437495977971842018-06-15T13:54:21.969-04:002018-06-15T13:54:21.969-04:00@ Konrad
But you don't understand Austrian ec...@ Konrad<br /><br />But you don't understand Austrian economics (snark).Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-25354814632268480852018-06-15T12:58:26.509-04:002018-06-15T12:58:26.509-04:00“Our current ‘system’ is designed so that recipien...<i> “Our current ‘system’ is designed so that recipients of the new money gain and embezzle purchasing power from those holding the existing stock of money without any due process of law or concern for their rights.” </i><br /><br />Such meaningless gibberish is like visiting the zoo. Trying to refute it is like trying to refute monkeys who chatter in their exhibit. Only a fool would even consider it.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xKLBne1CoIKonradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739209449391854796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-23265377282795819062018-06-15T12:13:56.699-04:002018-06-15T12:13:56.699-04:00During the Gold Standard Era, a major excuse for o...During the Gold Standard Era, a major excuse for our two-tiered money system whereby the banks use fiat and the rest of us must* use bank liabilities for fiat was that gold-backed fiat was too scarce for the general population to use unless the exchange rate (e.g. dollars per ounce) were set so high that gold was then much less affordable for non-monetary uses such as wedding rings, dentistry, electrical contacts, etc.<br /><br />Therefore, to be for a Gold Standard is to implicitly support government privileges for the banks, etc. OR making gold much less affordable for practical use.<br /><br />*Or be limited to mere physical fiat, aka "cash."Andrew Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296407661618321637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-46068480405130410052018-06-15T11:32:31.706-04:002018-06-15T11:32:31.706-04:00Andrew Anderson wrote:
To enable lazy, risk-free ...Andrew Anderson wrote:<br /><br /><i>To enable lazy, risk-free gains from deflation.</i><br /><br />Those gains would be received by the entire mass population as opposed to the .1% who trade in inflated assets. It's good to see you admit to hating average and poor people and trying to ruin them, Mr. Anderson. Your efforts at supporting the funny money system have certainly paid off in crushing average and poor people. Be proud of your accomplishments.Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-22747026278442360262018-06-15T11:26:07.574-04:002018-06-15T11:26:07.574-04:00Monetary systems are ethically neutral accounting ...<i>Monetary systems are ethically neutral accounting systems, like points on a sports scoreboard.</i><br /><br />No. Our current "system" is designed so that recipients of the new money gain and embezzle purchasing power from those holding the existing stock of money without any due process of law or concern for their rights. A normal person finds that outrageous and immoral. MMTers think that's its greatest feature.Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-5199858786759303272018-06-15T10:47:41.401-04:002018-06-15T10:47:41.401-04:00“The fiat funny money system is a continuing crimi...<i> “The fiat funny money system is a continuing criminal enterprise designed to loot and conquer.” </i><br /><br />Monetary systems are ethically neutral accounting systems, like points on a sports scoreboard. <br /><br />Human cheating is a separate matter. <br /><br />To call U.S. dollars intrinsically “funny money” is like calling sports points “funny points.” <br /><br />Both assertions are silly.Konradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739209449391854796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-26718936354826994612018-06-15T07:21:54.205-04:002018-06-15T07:21:54.205-04:00That's what I think, Andrew. Only the rich can...That's what I think, Andrew. Only the rich can afford gold mines, then then can dig the money up. Kaiveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04195639305785321786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-21243867489672817252018-06-15T07:01:07.523-04:002018-06-15T07:01:07.523-04:00The fiat funny money system ... Bob Roddis
A Gol...<i>The fiat funny money system ... </i> Bob Roddis<br /><br />A Gold Standard or gold coins as Gary North advocates would be by fiat too. You guys just want fiat to be NEEDLESSLY EXPENSIVE and from base motives too:<br /><br />1) To benefit special interests such as gold and silver owners/miners.<br />2) To enable lazy, risk-free gains from deflation.<br /><br />You call fiat funny money but what is sad is people thinking that ethics require precious metals: <br /><br /><i>They will fling their silver into the streets and their gold will become an abhorrent thing; their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord. They cannot satisfy their appetite nor can they fill their stomachs, for their iniquity has become an occasion of stumbling.</i> Ezekiel 7:19 NASBAndrew Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296407661618321637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-58812211667024038002018-06-15T06:24:17.310-04:002018-06-15T06:24:17.310-04:00Thanks, Tom. Thanks, Tom. Kaiveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04195639305785321786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-72439365068777842122018-06-14T23:11:35.553-04:002018-06-14T23:11:35.553-04:00Research the Black Eagle Trust.
Interesting read...Research the Black Eagle Trust. <br /><br />Interesting reading.Noah Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012500819097539976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-23216291064336006302018-06-14T22:22:21.186-04:002018-06-14T22:22:21.186-04:00Hmmmm. This guy sounds like me, Ron Paul, Murray R...Hmmmm. This guy sounds like me, Ron Paul, Murray Rothbard and David Stockman. The fiat funny money system is a continuing criminal enterprise designed to loot and conquer. This is just our standard decades-old analysis which is mocked by know-nothing Keynesians (excuse the redundancy). <br /><br />But MMTers worship it as "Modern Money". Very strange. <br /><br />Good thing the fascist imperialist deep state isn't "revenue constrained". Right?Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-62259581121545667522018-06-14T21:51:04.639-04:002018-06-14T21:51:04.639-04:00Franko is like a broken clock: he's correct tw...Franko is like a broken clock: he's correct twice a day.Noah Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012500819097539976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-66162423283859348872018-06-14T21:35:58.144-04:002018-06-14T21:35:58.144-04:00“The US election was fixed, he says, for Trump to ...“The US election was fixed, he says, for Trump to win “<br /><br />Even Noah knows this is BS...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-4722730917550160892018-06-14T21:08:14.778-04:002018-06-14T21:08:14.778-04:00I redirected the link to Michael Hudson's blog...I redirected the link to Michael Hudson's blog.<br /><br /><a href="http://michael-hudson.com/2018/06/academic-propaganda-protecting-us-financial-imperialism/" rel="nofollow">http://michael-hudson.com/2018/06/academic-propaganda-protecting-us-financial-imperialism/</a>Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-30283667816779224742018-06-14T20:19:04.695-04:002018-06-14T20:19:04.695-04:00Link doesn't work.
But from the title alone, ...Link doesn't work.<br /><br />But from the title alone, in my experience it's Progressives and MMT folks who defend the inherent injustice of our financial system while seeking to make it more stable - as if injustice should be, or even can be, stable for long.Andrew Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296407661618321637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-66163667736470153362018-06-14T19:06:13.920-04:002018-06-14T19:06:13.920-04:00The US election was fixed, he says, for Trump to w...<i>The US election was fixed, he says, for Trump to win because the ruling knew Americans were never going to vote for their preferred candidate, Hilary.</i><br /><br />The US election was fixed FOR Hillary but the fix failed. There is a great deal of evidence for this:<br /><br />Hillary's supportive corporate media focusing on the three most despicable GOP candidates (Carson, Cruz, and Trump) in an attempt to make her more palatable<br /><br />DNC collusion with Hillary and the media to scuttle Bernie's campaign<br /><br />2:1 financial advantage in campaign money (the most money wins > 90% of the time)<br /><br />super-delegates being counted for Hillary long before the convention and that count used to announce that Hillary "clinched the nomination" the day <i>before</i> the CA primary<br /><br />Hillary announced as the winner of primary races with < 1% of the vote counted (before noon!) <br /><br />etc. etc. etc. Noah Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012500819097539976noreply@blogger.com