tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post4641668585698497676..comments2024-03-28T07:50:06.102-04:00Comments on Mike Norman Economics: Workin' Man Bluesmike normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03296006882513340747noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-7366566116321561232016-11-22T10:42:46.351-05:002016-11-22T10:42:46.351-05:00Well if you are going to give an Old Testament sty...Well if you are going to give an Old Testament style debt jubilee then what is supposed to happen to the collateral?<br /><br />A JG wage should still supply the worker with enough income to make reasonable payments for transportation including a reasonable payment on a vehicle loan...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-1836421154188922262016-11-22T09:50:15.579-05:002016-11-22T09:50:15.579-05:00Matt,
Free $42k truck? How do you think a basic in...Matt,<br />Free $42k truck? How do you think a basic income guarantee works? That is one of the many reasons for pushing a job guarantee - however, many questions still remain about the JG - what prevents the JG from becoming just another "slave labor" program? Or at the very least jobs that are given without any care for what that person is capable of - which is what most JG programs currently being proposed appear to be (primarily because they are looking at the JG program as a buffer stock of the employed for the private sector)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-42268273368869395312016-11-21T21:26:19.121-05:002016-11-21T21:26:19.121-05:00If leading flow was higher that auto paper would b...If leading flow was higher that auto paper would be doing a lot better.. <br /><br />And further, so what are you saying I should go out and sign up for a new loaded Silverado and then renege on it then show I'm in the 80% and then just get a free $42k pickup truck?Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-412978840809563462016-11-21T18:35:33.772-05:002016-11-21T18:35:33.772-05:00Michael Hudson
How Debt Makes the Rich RicherMichael Hudson<br /><a href="http://michael-hudson.com/2016/11/how-debt-makes-the-rich-richer/" rel="nofollow">How Debt Makes the Rich Richer</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-55245213592712647872016-11-21T18:31:51.999-05:002016-11-21T18:31:51.999-05:00http://www.autoremarketing.com/subprime/negative-e...<a href="http://www.autoremarketing.com/subprime/negative-equity-growing-especially-car-notes" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoremarketing.com/subprime/negative-equity-growing-especially-car-notes</a>Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-64513070740485751202016-11-21T17:19:59.136-05:002016-11-21T17:19:59.136-05:00The only thing people borrow for is a house and a ...The only thing people borrow for is a house and a car ... and eventually those are paid off... Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-65610839238014567652016-11-21T13:02:56.603-05:002016-11-21T13:02:56.603-05:00@matt franko
even under paper you need to re-set ...@matt franko<br /><br />even under paper you need to re-set private debt- the top 10% have claims on the income of the botto 80%.<br /><br />at some point debt deflation will grind the economy to a halt,<br /><br />so a write off of debts would be necessary,or prolonged zombie economy with fiscal expansion so that balance sheets can deleverage.<br /><br />Or a whole new system where private debt doesnt grow due to compunding interest charges.<br /><br />@Ryan Harris-economic rent is easy,michael hudson spells it out ,land rent,monoply rents,natural resource rents and interest.Jake Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919757031249325403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-51218400891016284932016-11-21T11:22:02.204-05:002016-11-21T11:22:02.204-05:00Abolishing the estate tax and the minimum wage wil...Abolishing the estate tax and the minimum wage will be great for workers too!Peter Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09473311771939167712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-43630475673482435002016-11-21T10:48:23.726-05:002016-11-21T10:48:23.726-05:00Greg said - "These working class Trump suppor...Greg said - "These working class Trump supporters are gonna be quite disappointed.."<br /><br />Yep, and then add to that -<br /><br />- typical trickle-down huge tax cuts that gives the working class, at most, enough to buy an extra beer a week but hands off billions to the top 1% to sock away into do-nothing T-bills<br />- a "big buy" infrastructure stimulus which is only tax credits to entice the top 1% to invest in privatizing only the cherriest assets that force rents out of the few that can still pay (forget Flint-like water treatment plants) - pops the economy for a year or so but then just adds to the elites rental income to park in T-bills, growing income inequity and undermining aggregate demand<br />- all these 'wonderous expenditures' will have to be "paid-for" so replace Medicare/Medicaid with vouchers paid for by underfunded block grants to states - working man in Red states not likely to see a penny. Then it's on to privatizing SS. <br /><br />Working man better not wrench his back; he's going to have to keep working until he drops dead.<br />- Yee-haw, Freedom Fries, ya all! Make America Great Again!Salsabobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056713962363584884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-14919128656728929042016-11-20T21:54:03.560-05:002016-11-20T21:54:03.560-05:00Can't view it in Canada. Harrumph :/Can't view it in Canada. Harrumph :/Peter Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09473311771939167712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-32412479298792885932016-11-20T20:45:01.620-05:002016-11-20T20:45:01.620-05:00While I have consistently criticized utopian think...While I have consistently criticized utopian thinking wherever as unrealistic on a large scale, many people do live in bubbles, sometimes created intentionally as "intentional communities." Such bubbles don't scale, so those that live in them generally have to interact at least minimally with the ROW (rest of the world).<br /><br />I lived in such a left libertarian intentional community many years ago. The members described it as a "sane asylum" and contrasted it with the ROW as the "insane asylum." We were aware that there was no way it could scale since most of the ROW was insane. So we sought out the relatively few sane people with whom to interact and avoided the criminally insane, of which there are many.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-33952123309683179782016-11-20T20:22:54.508-05:002016-11-20T20:22:54.508-05:00Tom and all u libtards here's your utopia;
ht...Tom and all u libtards here's your utopia;<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKOb-kmOgpIMalmo's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072599785196733846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-46940924070680733922016-11-20T19:13:34.065-05:002016-11-20T19:13:34.065-05:00These working class Trump supporters are gonna be ...These working class Trump supporters are gonna be quite disappointed when Donald argues for lower wages, as he already has.<br /><br />The use of the term wages is key I think. "Wages" are for the working stiff and are a cost, "salaries" are for the mid mgmt and above, which are type of benefit.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139782404004492965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-53396274522429519362016-11-20T19:06:11.610-05:002016-11-20T19:06:11.610-05:00Unknown,
Yes the Jews were under the metals which...Unknown,<br /><br />Yes the Jews were under the metals which was also part of the laws... so when you are under metals, you need such things in the laws like jubilees, redistributions, etc periodically to re-set things...<br /><br />Same as when you are ruled by morons who just think they are still under the metals...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-14830573548003787702016-11-20T17:04:47.431-05:002016-11-20T17:04:47.431-05:00The city mentioned above was Minneapolis MN - See ...The city mentioned above was Minneapolis MN - See <a href="https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/24/palm-j24.html" rel="nofollow">Trotskyism and the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934</a><br /><br /><i>On December 8, 1941, the day after Pearl Harbor, 18 defendants, including Cannon, Skoglund, V.R. Dunne and Dobbs, were sentenced to prison terms ranging from 12 months to 16 months for the “unlawful conspiracy of promoting the idea that the overthrow of the US government by force was desirable.”</i><br /><br />Also <a href="https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/swp-us/pamphlets/mpls18/Who%20are%20the%2018%20Prisoners%20in%20the%20Minneapolis%20Labor%20Case.pdf" rel="nofollow">Who are the 18 Prisoners in the Minneapolis Labor Case</a><br /><br />There is a biography of Carlos Hudson in there - definitely not Jewish - the pdf is a photo copy so I cannot copy and paste it. Well worth reading<br /><br />Among them<br /><br />Carlos Hudson - Editor of 544 - CIO Weekly, The Industrial OrgainizerUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-57147769258662475682016-11-20T16:20:52.603-05:002016-11-20T16:20:52.603-05:00Also from the same article above
Michael Hudson i...Also from the same article above<br /><br /><i>Michael Hudson is a fifth generation American, with Red Indian Chipawa blood in his veins from his mother’s side. He was born in Minneapolis in 1939. His father was a trade unionist and leading light in the civic management of what Michael describes as “the only city in the world run by Trotskyites.” The money establishment was, understandably, not very happy about this. Michael was just two years old when his father was made a political prisoner. His early childhood will have been traumatic, lightened by the study of music. This was never going to be satisfactory as a career, however, because of his wanting to get to grips with understanding the causes of the social-economic injustice that his father, as a follower of Leon Trotsky (1879-1940), was not shy to confront.</i>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-51732910597607831652016-11-20T16:17:52.413-05:002016-11-20T16:17:52.413-05:00Matt, yes Hudson was Trotsky's godson
With yo...Matt, yes Hudson was <a href="http://michael-hudson.com/2002/04/i-meet-the-leading-authority-on-the-babylonian-and-near-east-tradition-of-debt-cancellation/" rel="nofollow">Trotsky's godson</a><br /><br />With your interest in Christianity, you will find the article of immense interest<br /><br />Quote:<br /><i>The meeting of about 70 people was organised by the Christian Council for Monetary Justice – (PS2). I was delighted to hear Michael introduce his talk with an account of how Jesus declared the intent of his ministry in his hometown synagogue by reading from the prophet Isaiah, chapter 61:<br /><br />“The spirit of the Lord is on me<br />because he has anointed me;<br />he has sent me to announce good news to the poor,<br />to proclaim release for prisoners<br />and recovery of sight for the blind;<br />to let the broken victims go free,<br />to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour.”<br /><br />His audience will have known that when Isaiah, and Jesus inspired by the same spirit, proclaimed the “year of the Lord’s favour”, the reference was to the Sabbath Year cancellation of debts and the Jubilee Year restitution of land (PS3).<br /><br />We have to understand, said Michael, that Jesus was addressing a situation in which more than 25 percent of the farmland was pledged to usurers. And we need to understand how every major religion is essentially about how to handle debt – a word that in northern European languages also means guilt.</i>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-44627804627120646332016-11-20T15:14:41.714-05:002016-11-20T15:14:41.714-05:00I thought I read somewhere that Hudson's godfa...I thought I read somewhere that Hudson's godfather is/was Leon Trotsky so I am assuming he is/was Jewish I suppose he may not be... but if he is/was then my point is that I dont see how the alt-right can blame all rent seeking on "the Jews!", etc... it doesnt make any logical sense if one of the leading advocates of controlling rents is Jewish to be blaming "the Jews!" for economic rent...<br /><br />but it might make sense if you were not qualified technically and blamed everything on one conspiracy theory or another...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-77203666677147856912016-11-20T14:59:03.648-05:002016-11-20T14:59:03.648-05:00Ryan,
"You load sixteen tons, what do you get...Ryan,<br />"You load sixteen tons, what do you get?<br />Another day older and deeper in debt"<br /><br />This is why, the ability of bankers to "create money out of thin air" really stick in the craw of the working man. This I believe is why the myth of "loanable funds" was created.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-86936117464637605402016-11-20T14:50:22.291-05:002016-11-20T14:50:22.291-05:00"sixteen tons" sells better than abstrac..."sixteen tons" sells better than abstract rent, a worker toiling can always count the rent better than a financier in an air conditioned modular cubicle in a plushly appointed workspace.Ryan Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04815033054435303399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-53485907714071475682016-11-20T14:42:29.764-05:002016-11-20T14:42:29.764-05:00Also here is Michael Hudson about himself - Bubble...Also here is Michael Hudson about himself - <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/28/bubbles-always-burst-the-education-of-an-economist/" rel="nofollow">Bubbles Always Burst: the Education of an Economist</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-68832434768916981172016-11-20T14:37:26.899-05:002016-11-20T14:37:26.899-05:00Matt,
I don't know whether Michael Hudson is ...Matt,<br /><br />I don't know whether Michael Hudson is Jewish or not. Why do you say he is? He went to the University of Chicago Laboratory School for High School - so the chances are high that one of his parents worked at the University of Chicago. He also got his undergraduate degree in history (not economics) from there. He was Jeremiah Kaplan's assistant at the Free Press in Chicago. His introduction to economics comes from economist Terrence McCarthy. It is interesting that he holds the rights to the works of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Luk%C3%A1cs" rel="nofollow">György Lukács</a> and to those of Leon Trotsky (assigned to him by Trotsky's widow.)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198667003900590106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-56695672282816903022016-11-20T14:26:15.211-05:002016-11-20T14:26:15.211-05:00Rent is difficult to quantify in practice.
This i...<i>Rent is difficult to quantify in practice.</i><br /><br />This is an argument offered against dealing with it. It's hard, so let's just forget about it.<br /><br />Workers are not impressed by the logic.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-14634907881964836432016-11-20T14:24:38.970-05:002016-11-20T14:24:38.970-05:00Tom, Kids in Rhode Island saying something else:
...<i>Tom, Kids in Rhode Island saying something else:</i><br /><br />This is what the HS kids here are marching against. It was sparked by an incident in their school.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-70081586962783568012016-11-20T14:15:25.335-05:002016-11-20T14:15:25.335-05:00Rent is difficult to quantify in practice. It mea...Rent is difficult to quantify in practice. It means knowing fair value given all the hard to know risks and the prices those entail. We don't even know they are being captured until we see the end results the profit.<br /><br />When we banned partially hydrogenated fats combined with bio-fuel requirements, somebody probably predicted that the rain forests, already battered would be systematically destroyed to make palm farms at an escalating pace, but no one would have imagined the size and scale of that risk properly. Everything we do, there are always people scheming to capture commons and extract rents. Always going to be a game of whack-a-mole. Were doomed to always being outraged.Ryan Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04815033054435303399noreply@blogger.com