tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post5314227504098160128..comments2024-03-29T07:30:30.121-04:00Comments on Mike Norman Economics: Bill Mitchel — Unemployment is miserable and doesn’t spawn an upsurge in personal creativitymike normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03296006882513340747noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-16359357357223530472017-11-22T07:47:54.106-05:002017-11-22T07:47:54.106-05:00Ben nothing stopping that in Venezuela or Zimbabwe...Ben nothing stopping that in Venezuela or Zimbabwe currently.... why is it not happening?<br /><br />Dont tell me "neo-liberal conspiracy!" I know, I know...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-28727769595022754952017-11-22T07:46:11.262-05:002017-11-22T07:46:11.262-05:00"What are you going to do to ensure those who..."What are you going to do to ensure those who do the real work show up on Friday"<br /><br />We could easily cut back to a 4 day work week currently...<br /><br />The people doing the labor would make more munnie than the ones on the JG or the UBI so they would be motivated by the munnie...<br /><br />The other thing is that currently we throw out half of the carrots we farm... ie we throw out half of the food we farm...<br /><br />With today's surplus conditions on steroids, if we say that one person's labor could provision 3 non-laborers, then the laborer should make 3x the non-laborer... iow the non-laborers UBI would pay the laborers some multiple of the UBI...<br /><br />Would continue current "inequality!" conditions but too bad we're not created equal...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-76526898244002152412017-11-22T06:29:08.820-05:002017-11-22T06:29:08.820-05:00"And that's what it ultimately boils down..."And that's what it ultimately boils down to. What are you going to do to ensure those who do the real work show up on Friday and we are able to obtain the effect of the Pin Factory?"<br /><br />You could try selling the Pin Factory to the workers. But capitalism or death, I guess.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11018306000410021518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-69995208106443382302017-11-21T12:36:14.472-05:002017-11-21T12:36:14.472-05:00Matt is so convinced of his own superiority (there...Matt is so convinced of his own superiority (<i>there are only about 1,000 to 2,000 of us globally</i>) that he is blind to reality.<br /><br />Neil is afraid he'll starve without indentured servants to farm his carrots.Noah Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012500819097539976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-15364468817652844082017-11-21T10:54:21.692-05:002017-11-21T10:54:21.692-05:00"Neil you are somewhat assuming that income i..."Neil you are somewhat assuming that income is only deserved by the laborers"<br /><br />I'm not Matt. Stop being ridiculous. <br /><br />If you want me to grow carrots for you to eat, you'd better be creating something real for me to enjoy. Otherwise I'll just grow fewer carrots for myself and those who make my machinery and take Friday off. <br /><br />And that's what it ultimately boils down to. What are you going to do to ensure those who do the real work show up on Friday and we are able to obtain the effect of the Pin Factory? <br /><br />The alternative is to rip apart the Pin Factory - as they did in Zimbabwe. NeilWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565959939525324309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-68396133499980208502017-11-21T09:14:38.625-05:002017-11-21T09:14:38.625-05:00What I'm saying is not everybody is a born lab...What I'm saying is not everybody is a born laborer... its a substantial question as to whether or not only the laborers deserve any income... it requires a lot of thought...<br /><br />Besides there are only about 1,000 to 2,000 of us globally who would even consider the question "JG or UBI?"... the rest are stupid around this question...<br /><br />We're an elite group in this regard we should start acting like it...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-31280245946151326612017-11-21T08:54:27.401-05:002017-11-21T08:54:27.401-05:00Matt and Neil perpetuate the myth of meritocracy a...Matt and Neil perpetuate the myth of meritocracy and vilify the poor for being lazy. Talk about tiresome ...Noah Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012500819097539976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-7459295910737833802017-11-21T08:49:01.618-05:002017-11-21T08:49:01.618-05:00Here this young woman busts her butt playing tenni...Here this young woman busts her butt playing tennis and doesn’t even pickup her check what is she doing laboring? I don’t think so:<br /><br />http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/caroline-wozniacki-prize-money-us-open-forgotMatt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-47852915296661124482017-11-21T08:45:20.334-05:002017-11-21T08:45:20.334-05:00Neil you are somewhat assuming that income is only...Neil you are somewhat assuming that income is only deserved by the laborers... there are other types of people out there... <br /><br />And the underlying condition is surplus anyway... we don’t need everyone trying to be laborers...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-72256221538276264352017-11-21T08:27:54.360-05:002017-11-21T08:27:54.360-05:00What's increasingly tiresome is the belief tha...What's increasingly tiresome is the belief that you can get something for nothing in return. Perennial student grants might be the fantasy of the idle middle class, but your average working class person wants a job, not a handout. <br /><br />If you want something you have to do something in exchange first. Time to drop the toddler attitude and grow up. NeilWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565959939525324309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-35556415161391428982017-11-21T08:22:34.450-05:002017-11-21T08:22:34.450-05:00Right James, true "laborers" (the people...Right James, true "laborers" (the people who really like to "work") are only probably about 25% of the people out there...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-47361437328212543052017-11-21T07:31:34.174-05:002017-11-21T07:31:34.174-05:00People living in a market economy are miserable wi...People living in a market economy are miserable without an income that allows them to enjoy the resources available, the dogmatic view that MMT pushes about work, is becoming increasingly tiresome to read. <br /><br />If they're really interested in testing their "work sets you free" view of the world, give unemployed people a living wage, and then come back and see how sad they feel.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07388885044895299757noreply@blogger.com