tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post7324872336705414367..comments2024-03-18T19:09:18.510-04:00Comments on Mike Norman Economics: David Haggith — Trump Obamacare Repeal Blew Up Bigly Because of a House Divided Against Itselfmike normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03296006882513340747noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-17410012019089964302017-03-26T17:18:00.528-04:002017-03-26T17:18:00.528-04:00"Big big tax cuts for the rich is Trump's..."Big big tax cuts for the rich is Trump's master plan. It will be great. You'll love it."<br /><br />He's gonna do BIG BIG THINGS, BIG BIG THINGS.<br /><br />H/t to Mike Norman for talking like that in some of his videos. ;)Penguin pophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438480665686684027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-43855691550427408712017-03-26T16:39:34.061-04:002017-03-26T16:39:34.061-04:00Mal ACA might not turn out as bad a "total di...Mal ACA might not turn out as bad a "total disaster!" as he appears to think...<br /><br />Folks are going to lose the subsidy or lose their insurance and just pay the fine to the IRS ...<br /><br /> I think then the reimbursement for care for that type of person is thru some sort of expanded Medicaid which is a form of 'single payer'... and an automatic appropriation so Congress doesn't have any control over the macro effects ...<br /><br />It might work .... only limited by the fact that the single payer thinks they are "out of money!" which would apply to Trumpcare too so that part of it is a wash...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-33578110692664092122017-03-26T16:38:06.017-04:002017-03-26T16:38:06.017-04:00Big big tax cuts for the rich is Trump's maste...Big big tax cuts for the rich is Trump's master plan. It will be great. You'll love it.Peter Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09473311771939167712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-20302785280039449392017-03-26T14:37:11.305-04:002017-03-26T14:37:11.305-04:00@Mal
EVERYTHING is dead in the long pull! WTF doe...@Mal<br /><br />EVERYTHING is dead in the long pull! WTF does that even mean in this context?<br /><br />No Obamacare supporters hope it stands as is forever. Your BFF 4D chess player didn't walk away from anything. He was never in it. Yes this makes the other republicans look worse but if you think Trump is unaffected you are delusional<br /><br />He may very well pull something out of his arse to surprise us all but it ain't cuz he already knows what it is. He is man without a plan except for planning on getting back at his detractors. That's been his MO from day one. He moves along and finds cracks to slip through and when something works he'll say " See this was my plan all along". Which will be complete BSGreghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139782404004492965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-29307427379019241002017-03-26T12:37:02.835-04:002017-03-26T12:37:02.835-04:00" Anyone who thinks Trump was the loser in th..." Anyone who thinks Trump was the loser in the Obamacare repeal attempt better not get too cocky. That's simply fake news spin. The real loser in all this was Paul Ryan (Trey Gowdy could be a big winner). Anyone who thinks Obamacare will survive will be disappointed too. Trump, the 4D chess master is reloading for the REAL DEAL. Obamacare is all but dead. That's the no spin reality in the long pull."<br /><br />I don't think anyone's denying that this will pop up again as an issue in the future in some form. What a lot of people are pissed about is why this guy keeps listening to morons like Paul Ryan who are completely antithetical to all the things he promised on the campaign trail even now. Mike has made these points plenty of times as well. If this really is some kind of grand strategy, I'd like to see how this will play out in the end. I also wanted to give him a chance and my patience ran out a while ago. Having loons like Rick Mulvaney part of your team seems completely counterproductive to me. Penguin pophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438480665686684027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-23728462850994092042017-03-26T12:13:28.156-04:002017-03-26T12:13:28.156-04:00All three factions share a belief of the "we&...<i>All three factions share a belief of the "we're out of money!" falsehood...</i><br /><br />AKA "sound finance."Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-61178664546103372482017-03-26T12:03:32.122-04:002017-03-26T12:03:32.122-04:00Deal making is art rather than science. Trump'...Deal making is art rather than science. Trump's, "The Art Of The Deal", is about not making deals and thus walking away too. Anyone who thinks Trump was the loser in the Obamacare repeal attempt better not get too cocky. That's simply fake news spin. The real loser in all this was Paul Ryan (Trey Gowdy could be a big winner). Anyone who thinks Obamacare will survive will be disappointed too. Trump, the 4D chess master is reloading for the REAL DEAL. Obamacare is all but dead. That's the no spin reality in the long pull.Malmo's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072599785196733846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-9370463974876132262017-03-26T11:40:56.173-04:002017-03-26T11:40:56.173-04:00Trump is funny and for reasons he doesn't even...Trump is funny and for reasons he doesn't even understand. That's all he's good at. This whole fiasco showed he's not as good at striking deals after all. GOP is pathetic in any case, but it was a good thing that Paul Ryan got destroyed by this. I've always hated that sniveling little Ayn Rand coward. Penguin pophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438480665686684027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-42117897186843558842017-03-26T11:40:10.693-04:002017-03-26T11:40:10.693-04:00I didn't mean to suggest that DJT is a popular...I didn't mean to suggest that DJT is a popular president. He is not. I was just describing how US politics works.<br />Trump's political capital is meagre because of his lack of national support. So there isn't great political risk for members of his party to oppose him. He doesn't command a lot of leverage, so it's going to be difficult for him to build a coalition to pass his agenda. That's probably why Paul Ryan and his cohort of establishment Republicans tried to jam a bill though that alienated a lot of the Trump faction, even though DJT got behind the bill.<br /><br />I think that passage of the bill might have hurt Trump more than its failure. A lot of his supporters among the public would have jumped ship at that, viewing it as a betrayal. His support for it reduced his standing with them.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-60627726440420482782017-03-26T11:39:42.125-04:002017-03-26T11:39:42.125-04:00So (to us) they are not 3 separate factions... So (to us) they are not 3 separate factions... Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-73626622483898060692017-03-26T11:38:43.066-04:002017-03-26T11:38:43.066-04:00All three factions share a belief of the "we&...All three factions share a belief of the "we're out of money!" falsehood...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-68749272196443746442017-03-26T11:24:51.806-04:002017-03-26T11:24:51.806-04:00Yes but they had seven years to iron all these dif...<i>Yes but they had seven years to iron all these differences out why during the Presidential election did Trump hammer on about the GOP getting rid of Obamacare when there was no real possibility of doing so because of factional division within the GOP? Is Trump going to carry on like this during his presidency shooting his mouth off to no practical end result simply because he he's a square peg in a round hole and should really have had a career as a stand-up comedian?</i><br /><br />Candidates regularly lay out their policy positions and then try to use their political capital to meet their promises by making deals with the various factions in the legislature in their own party and the opposition party. The way congress critters vote affects their standing in the next election. So it is politically risky to oppose a popular president.<br /><br />The political losers in this debacle are chiefly the establishment Republicans that lined up behind Paul Ryan. They are likely to face primary challenges in 2018, and Ryan may even lose the speakership over it.<br /><br />It's not Trump who is the big loser here although he took a hit and it cost him political capital.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-20006754505386263822017-03-26T10:45:01.144-04:002017-03-26T10:45:01.144-04:00Discussing factionalism in the GOP is irrelevent w...Discussing factionalism in the GOP is irrelevent when the composition of government does not in any way reflect the composition of voters. 42% of voters are Independent, 34% are Democrats, and 26% are republican.<br /><br />Ranting and raving about tRump ignores the underlying and infinitely larger problem: the absolute dominance of wealth (corporate and personal) in government. Noah Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012500819097539976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-5062524153236463112017-03-26T09:36:26.029-04:002017-03-26T09:36:26.029-04:00Yes but they had seven years to iron all these dif...Yes but they had seven years to iron all these differences out why during the Presidential election did Trump hammer on about the GOP getting rid of Obamacare when there was no real possibility of doing so because of factional division within the GOP? Is Trump going to carry on like this during his presidency shooting his mouth off to no practical end result simply because he he's a square peg in a round hole and should really have had a career as a stand-up comedian?Schofieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11631047494218956929noreply@blogger.com