tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post825071660072034437..comments2024-03-29T07:26:44.963-04:00Comments on Mike Norman Economics: Bill Mitchell — The penny drops – WSJ acknowledges UK government can never run out of moneymike normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03296006882513340747noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-40878294332492810682016-11-06T18:59:06.025-05:002016-11-06T18:59:06.025-05:00Power means ability... imo not all possess this ab...<i>Power means ability... imo not all possess this ability...<br /><br />jr this might be coming from the "all men are created equal" falsehood... Not everybody is the same or "equal" ... we all have different abilities... </i><br /><br />I thought Tom had a nice explanation of this a while back. <br /><br />We shouldn’t stand things on their head just because we like to see things standing on their head (and we know that a lot of things in this world are upside down); but to put them the right way up, in context.<br /><br />We don’t really see colour. When the light fades we see perhaps 30 shades of grey that merge to black. In daylight we see perhaps 10M unique colours – and this constrained to the visible spectrum roygbiv. We see reflected light and what that light bathes in accordance with its intensity, qualities, and place in the spectrum. Now replace light with the word ‘understanding’ and understanding with the word ‘love’. Then in this ‘light of love’ all men are part of the one thing. Hence ‘equality’. Equality is incredibly deep and profound; not superficial. I think Christ said something like that in a few different ways. Personalities are different shells for the same pearl. But because of our position on the spectrum, and the energy we are using, we see only the differences and not what is within. Because we are not conscious of the pearl, we do not feel or use its energies – its ‘light’.<br /><br />But level of ability is obviously true Matt. What seems important to me is - the personality <b>chooses</b> - no matter at what level of ability (power to discriminate). More ability hopefully better choices, less ability perhaps lesser choices. We might choose to pick up a burning stick, but only once. I think you call this “active learning”? There is also an ability to go within.<br /><br />The beauty of this insight into choice is that it makes us responsible. The tricky bit is taking on the responsibility. Everyone wants the Govt. or someone else to fix things. That won’t happen. Everyone wants to take a free ride on each other’s shoulders.<br /><br />Human beings are full of excuses: - consciously or unconsciously, we choose. <br /><br />The power in this is that we can choose a path out of any mess we get ourselves into (usually involves tools down, stop doing what you are doing, retrace your steps if necessary, and do something sensible).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-26998544766263433742016-11-06T15:38:15.774-05:002016-11-06T15:38:15.774-05:00I wouldn't question the claim that "a maj...I wouldn't question the claim that "a majority" of women support Hillary.<br />Sorry, but I suspect that anecdote was pulled out of someone's ass. It's part of the hysteria generated throughout this campaign.Peter Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09473311771939167712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-75417444991865405052016-11-06T14:51:24.192-05:002016-11-06T14:51:24.192-05:00BTW, voting based on identity is a well-known phen...BTW, voting based on identity is a well-known phenomenon. Where the questions arise if from intersectionality, owing to the intersection of identity groups.<br /><br />The cognitive-affective priority tends to run from affect (emotion) to identity to rationality (issues, interests).<br /><br />Fear is an especially powerful political motivator that can submerge identity and issues.<br /><br />Until recently, white men never had to deal with identity in politics, since they owned it. Now both white and male identity are a big deal.<br /><br />Female identity was previously not such a big issue since in "the good old days," women just said, "Paw, who are we voting for?"<br /><br />That is now over for the most past, other than traditional families.<br /><br />Political strategists game this out and based strategy and tactics on it. The policy objective is, of course, to elect their candidate, "whatever it takes." Positions on issues are not a big deal since voters realize that campaign promises regarding them aren't really promises meant to be kept.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-32758856899834723352016-11-06T14:41:13.348-05:002016-11-06T14:41:13.348-05:00Skeptical me says I need a source for that.
Anecd...<i>Skeptical me says I need a source for that.</i><br /><br />Anecdotal. <br /><br />Fangren Yu, "A Chinese student's view of the election."<br />Iowa City Press Citizen, Nov. 5, p. 6ATom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-81793609928613214542016-11-06T13:41:56.370-05:002016-11-06T13:41:56.370-05:00"...just about all the women..."
Skepti..."...just about all the women..."<br /><br />Skeptical me says I need a source for that.Peter Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09473311771939167712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-19351830673048685952016-11-06T09:59:54.757-05:002016-11-06T09:59:54.757-05:00Tom her supporters dont even know what that is the...<i>Tom her supporters dont even know what that is they are just supporting her because she is female.... they are biased for females...</i><br /><br />Interest politics. <br /><br />Incidentally, this seems to be a phenomenon that extends beyond the US. We have a large Chinese contingent at UI and one of the students was asked to write an article for the global paper on the Chinese view of the election. He reported that not only are Chinese in the US interested in it but also mainland Chinese — and they have strong opinions. To summarize, he said that just about all the women are for HRC and all the men for Trump.<br /><br />This is indicative of another paradox of liberalism that is coming to the fore as the world liberalizes.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-49496390328332875972016-11-06T07:47:26.580-05:002016-11-06T07:47:26.580-05:00"And HRC's liberal internationalism"..."And HRC's liberal internationalism"<br /><br />Tom her supporters dont even know what that is they are just supporting her because she is female.... they are biased for females...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082502216984169113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-15223137999834006662016-11-05T20:27:15.037-04:002016-11-05T20:27:15.037-04:00jr this might be coming from the "all men are...jr this might be coming from the "all men are created equal" falsehood...<br /><br />those would assert a quadrapelaegic is equivalent with LeBron James..<br /><br />Not everybody is the same or "equal" ... we all have different abilities...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082502216984169113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-67147936502839030332016-11-05T20:17:09.468-04:002016-11-05T20:17:09.468-04:00A developing power of discrimination is at work he...A developing power of discrimination is at work here."<br /><br />Power means ability... imo not all possess this ability...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-19813081778726732272016-11-05T16:59:20.858-04:002016-11-05T16:59:20.858-04:00@Matt
”jr dont think so... what if the person does...@Matt<br /><i>”jr dont think so... what if the person doesnt have the ability to learn in an active learning methodology, and have to rely on rote?”</i><br /><br />Agree Matt, but ‘tweak’ the context.<br /><br />I think Glasser recognised that there is (to some degree) a conscious entity behind every personality. An idiot (id – iota) is a personality absent that entity – a human animal.<br /><br />The learning methods for the personality are fear, rote, comprehension – of which comprehension is the most enjoyable and lasting. But in each case, it is the self which makes the decision whether or not to accept the teaching. A developing power of discrimination is at work here.<br /><br />In the human being there is a power to choose and it is always at work. One person may accept the multiplication tables he learns at primary school as a ‘truth’. Another may question why doesn’t 2x2 = 8? Later on in life he may excel in higher mathematics and come up with a proof. :-)!<br /><br />The essential insight is that we ‘choose’ everything. This makes us responsible.<br /><br />For Glasser, people can even ‘choose’ mental illness; because sometimes the clouds part and sunlight shines through, in even the craziest of personalities. The human will is the prime factor in health. The personality is a reflection of choices ('karma').<br /><br />So we choose; but changing the established pathways in the brain is hard work when we choose something else. We become hypnotised by our own thought-forms in which there is also a heavy emotional investment – central to this ‘cloud’ is the ‘I’.<br /><br />So, once again, we get back to an entity that chooses. What do you think?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-39574358052903069572016-11-05T10:36:51.368-04:002016-11-05T10:36:51.368-04:00btw we all got here via an active methodology ... ...btw we all got here via an active methodology ... not rote... <br /><br />Those we are against are stuck with rote and have little to no ability for active learning...<br /><br />And those stuck in rote are being taught incorrectly by their rote teachers.... and they have very little ability to get out... Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-81130815145169585662016-11-05T10:33:39.134-04:002016-11-05T10:33:39.134-04:00"Even ignorance is something we choose "..."Even ignorance is something we choose "<br /><br />jr dont think so... what if the person doesnt have the ability to learn in an active learning methodology, and have to rely on rote?<br /><br />Then the teacher who teaches via rote tells the learner the wrong thing?<br /><br />The learner stays ignorant and has not made a choice....<br /><br />This dichotomy between active methodology and rote methodology characterizes the whole "Peter vs. Paul" thing in Christendom where you have Paul using rote ("have a pattern of sound words" Tim) and Peter using active learning ("go and disciple the nations")<br /><br />So it is a big deal within mankind (or at least in the Christian west) ... it involves the correct usage/application of both language and math.... <br /><br />We need to be basically PERFECT in application/use of both language and math to get around this division within mankind 100%... we may not ever reach 100% but even an improvement from here would be good...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-13502317823733854162016-11-04T20:26:19.562-04:002016-11-04T20:26:19.562-04:00I think the difference between lying and ignorance...I think the difference between lying and ignorance is self-will, but boundaries blur. Self-will can employ ignorance, lying, honesty; the full gamut of personality expression: – the salient feature is direction - set by self-interest or its reverse, other-interest. Even ignorance is something we choose (Glasser).<br /><br />This is the battleground. When self-will is intense, human beings repulse and compete with each other; the ‘law of the jungle’ prevails. When self-will learns cooperation, selfishly, because the collective brings rewards beyond the reach of the individual, the ‘law of civilisation’ attraction and repulsion, gregariousness, prevails. The family unit, social unit, national unit are the school ground. <br /><br />The ‘deep state’ is temporary, collective sociopathy. <br /><br />When self+social will learns the secret of the human heart, it becomes self+social+<i>’inner will’</i>, which unfortunately is just a label until we experience it. It cares for all and sees all as one. It is a voice within the human being that says ‘do no harm – all must live, grow, learn, flourish’; attraction and repulsion quieten down and harmony prevails. <br /><br />The battle ground for human beings is not between individuals or nation states: - it is internal, between greed and generosity; that spills out into the individual or nation. The first sign of maturity it is said, is responsibility.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-23051572723214711732016-11-04T18:59:16.556-04:002016-11-04T18:59:16.556-04:00"Well if they were not this stupid they would..."Well if they were not this stupid they would make even more munnie so I dont see how you can say this is in their best interest to be going all around saying stupid things on purpose..."<br /><br />Maybe it's not just about an increase in nominal wealth but also relative wealth. You can still become richer if everyone becomes poorer. What better way than to leech off of society through unearned rents and in the process use the funds to acquire even more wealth?<br /><br />No effort, all the gain.francohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17319310160830428948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-71564416003236059112016-11-04T14:33:59.738-04:002016-11-04T14:33:59.738-04:00We want to edify the people that are not involved ...We want to edify the people that are not involved directly with any interest groups...<br /><br />ie people who are just advocates for socio-economic justice in general...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-18491866140589526652016-11-04T14:31:31.707-04:002016-11-04T14:31:31.707-04:00CATO wants us to go back to the gold standard so t...CATO wants us to go back to the gold standard so they are not our audience... <br /><br />they have a competing idea...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-19575639632732290912016-11-04T14:25:20.421-04:002016-11-04T14:25:20.421-04:00Yes, symptoms of groupthink.
BTW, I don't mea...Yes, symptoms of groupthink.<br /><br />BTW, I don't mean to imply that groupthink is exclusive to the network of elites. A significant cohort of the US population is under the spell of it also and promote it among themselves even though it often runs counter to their best interests overall. "Rationality" is strange that way.<br /><br />Think Trump's "Make American great again." And HRC's liberal internationalism to impose the American way for the good of all. "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny" rel="nofollow">Manifest Destiny</a>" has been extended to apply to the world as included in American exceptionalism and America as the indispensable nation.<br /><br />Of course the American people know that oil is involved in MENA and that Zionism, oops, I mean "democratic Israel," is a focal point there.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-4241934295789659672016-11-04T14:22:12.173-04:002016-11-04T14:22:12.173-04:00"see CATO promoting privatizing social securi..."see CATO promoting privatizing social security below, it's obvious why they do that)."<br /><br />Yeah and its because they are libertarian ie anti-authority...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-31476150367843789082016-11-04T14:18:36.502-04:002016-11-04T14:18:36.502-04:00Well if they were not this stupid they would make ...Well if they were not this stupid they would make even more munnie so I dont see how you can say this is in their best interest to be going all around saying stupid things on purpose...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-58234601781297353552016-11-04T13:39:38.190-04:002016-11-04T13:39:38.190-04:00Yes both are not mutually exclusive, but when some...Yes both are not mutually exclusive, but when something wrong is generally acknowledged as true (by the majority of the population) is an ignorance problem, regardless of some individuals lying on purpose to prolong that ignorance.<br /><br />I think the ones lying are on the minority, but they exist for sure, the reasons why they lie though are usually more convoluted, I believe peer pressure and tribalism is a strong force on why they lie, rather than an special interests conflict (which i won't deny it exists sometimes, see CATO promoting privatizing social security below, it's obvious why they do that).Ignaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16082008115484199316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-8760194027071747142016-11-04T13:32:15.141-04:002016-11-04T13:32:15.141-04:00"High stakes" here means control of the ..."High stakes" here means control of the world as in global hegemony. The TPTB know this and aren't playing beanbag is shown by the placement of the US military strategically and tactically around the world. This is obviously not to promote freedom, democracy, and the American way, but to promote the political and economic interests of the American elite.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-78378993255611525652016-11-04T13:24:06.226-04:002016-11-04T13:24:06.226-04:00Bill is confronted with his own ideas regarding th...<i>Bill is confronted with his own ideas regarding this, moving between "group thinking" and "lying" as an explanation why this happens. Having wrote a book about group thinking in the Eurozone I think he may be in the end comfortable with the idea that is lack of knowledge.</i><br /><br />I don't think that ignorance and lying are mutually exclusive, although it might seem so. For example, a lot of what is believed, said, and written is the result of groupthink, which is a form of ignorance that is not necessarily culpable ignorance but rather ideology. However, psychological findings show that when people are confronted with facts questioning or refuting their position, they double down. Surprisingly, the more intelligent, the greater the doubling down. This passes from excusable ignorance to culpable ignorance and promoting can be seen as a form of lying, or, euphemistically, being "disingenuous" or "mendacious."<br /><br />Groupthink generally exists for a reason — to promote the interest of the group as well as the interests of its members. It is therefore entirely "rational" to double down to protect one's interest and, as they say, "do what it takes." That is how people stay in power — "doing what it takes." This game is high stakes and not beanbag.Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-87680570394574220732016-11-04T12:41:06.669-04:002016-11-04T12:41:06.669-04:00"So in some ways the *fake derivation maintai...<i>"So in some ways the *fake derivation maintains itself by creating conditions that don't give the chance for *its inspection."</i><br /><br />That is a good short way to put it something I wrote over here an other day regarding it. It's a feedback loop where the environment reinforces falling in line with the tribal group thinking.<br /><br />Bill is confronted with his own ideas regarding this, moving between "group thinking" and "lying" as an explanation why this happens. Having wrote a book about group thinking in the Eurozone I think he may be in the end comfortable with the idea that is lack of knowledge.<br /><br />It's a matter of reaching a critical mass where something becomes "common knowledge" and can be acknowledged as certain in public without any sort of retaliation and fear.Ignaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16082008115484199316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-51035121348430593412016-11-04T11:46:42.457-04:002016-11-04T11:46:42.457-04:00Mike is like a lightning rod for morons and he was...Mike is like a lightning rod for morons and he was the focal point of what he observed as the worst moron strike he ever experienced just LAST WEEK when he got one of his missives at the top of Yahoo...<br /><br />so yes we have a long way to go... but we really have to break this down and correctly understand what we are up against from the stand point of human cognition...<br /><br />Ignacio here is pretty well trained in cognition....<br /><br />btw you guys that WSJ guy looks like he might be from Espana:<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/public/Jon-Sindreu-Larra%C3%B1aga<br /><br />Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-37402340458765410082016-11-04T11:18:15.377-04:002016-11-04T11:18:15.377-04:00So in some ways the *fake derivation maintains its...So in some ways the *fake derivation maintains itself by creating conditions that don't give the chance for *its inspection.<br /><br /><br />francohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17319310160830428948noreply@blogger.com