tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post7728263971620224606..comments2024-03-28T04:13:36.779-04:00Comments on Mike Norman Economics: Matias Vernengo — Economic and technological determinismmike normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03296006882513340747noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-46513828061943035452018-08-29T07:51:25.869-04:002018-08-29T07:51:25.869-04:00Hey Tom see Bill’s blogpost today to see an expose...Hey Tom see Bill’s blogpost today to see an expose of the Platonic dialectic methodology that is operating in Christendom...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-89010038180580885632018-08-29T07:42:51.637-04:002018-08-29T07:42:51.637-04:00You guys at core are more materialistic than the “...You guys at core are more materialistic than the “neoliberals!” you are always trying to demonize... who rigorously train for and seek material excellence as a separate issue from how they approach purely social or non material concepts ...<br /><br />You guys are always trying to combine these concepts.... your approach hence contains a materialistic element... it has to...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-40922613764607757982018-08-29T07:35:40.930-04:002018-08-29T07:35:40.930-04:00The problem with you guys with your dialectic trai...The problem with you guys with your dialectic training you are always trying to combine/synthesize the material with the non-material....<br /><br />Imo it’s best to think of these concepts separately...Matt Frankohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978352335097260145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-86556942272576085022018-08-29T05:17:56.394-04:002018-08-29T05:17:56.394-04:00Simplicity - whoever says only matter~energy exist...Simplicity - whoever says only matter~energy exists, has never gone inside ...!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-27889620629681361562018-08-28T14:10:06.358-04:002018-08-28T14:10:06.358-04:00As for materialism itself, my own personal belief ...<i> As for materialism itself, my own personal belief is that the distinction between matter and energy is an illusion. There is nothing in the universe except energy or mind or spirit or God. </i> <br /><br />Form the viewpoint of materialisms aka <a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/physicalism/" rel="nofollow">physicalism/</a>, only matter exists. Physical energy is a from of matter, and the equation that explains the relation of energy and mass is E=mc^2. In terms of the Big Bang, fixed stock of matter as physical energy broke its symmetry and began to expand. Everything that happened from that point was the working of the law of least action governing the flows of that fixed stock iaw conservation laws. Mind is "reduced" to matter.<br /><br />From the point of view of idealisms, only spirit, mind, or consciousness exists and everything is a projection of spirit, mind or awareness. Matter as physicality is "reduced" to consciousness, which is bipolar, consisting of the subject pole and object pole of a single reality in which the poles interact through experience and relfection.<br /><br />Materialism and idealism are monisms, that is, there is one basic "stuff." Since learning that matter is reducible to energy, the multiplicity of atomism not longer tenable as an ontological option.<br /><br />Dualisms posit the ontological difference of mind and matter. For instance, naive realism or common sense assumes dualism of mind and matter, or subject and object. Most people are naive realists until they start reflecting on this, which most never do.<br /><br />Skepticism posits the impossibility to know anything on the basis of ontology. This is sometimes called anti-foundationalism.<br /><br />Philosophies as frameworks for constructing world views can be organized on this bare-bones matrix. Each of the four has many possibilities, and different thinkers have explored them.<br /><br />I am convinced that some form of idealism and monism is the only tenable option, and I am also convinced that perennial wisdom provides the best conceptual models, along with praxis for engaging them in order to begin to grasp there full range. Actually, there is a "neutral monism," e.g., where the foundation lies beyond. The interpretation of PW to which I subscribe is a neutral monism. <br /><br />Tom Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454222098667643650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761684730989137546.post-824499095736334432018-08-28T13:02:28.808-04:002018-08-28T13:02:28.808-04:00“Marx was a materialist ontologically.”
I say he...<i> “Marx was a materialist ontologically.”</i> <br /><br />I say he was a materialist <b>politically.</b> Marx opposed organized religion’s alliance with the rich against the lower classes. For Marx, organized religions prevent people from seeing the class structure and oppression around them. (“Religion is the opiate of the people.”) <br /><br />The Mexican Revolution was an uprising against feudal Mexico. When the rich oligarchs lost, their allies, the Catholic Church, made war on the revolutionaries (the Cristero War 1926-29) but lost. The Catholic Church’s agents claimed that they slaughtered people in the name of “religious freedom.”<br /><br />In a film titled “The Fugitive” (1947) Henry Fonda played a Catholic priest in Mexico who is persecuted for his religious beliefs. <b>All lies.</b> The film was made during “Red Scare” era (Joe McCarthy et. al.) in which oppressive churches were called saintly, and freedom fighters were called Satanic. This sh*t continues today.<br /><br />As for materialism itself, my own personal belief is that the distinction between matter and energy is an illusion. There is nothing in the universe except energy or mind or spirit or God. <br /><br />One time in my childhood a religious fanatic tried to convert me to his version of Christianity. I told him thanks, but I was a pantheist, i.e. everything is a manifestation of God. <br /><br />He thought I was insane. Literally.Konradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739209449391854796noreply@blogger.com