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Thursday, December 3, 2020

If 90% of Taiwanese people want independence, is there any legitimate reason for China to deny independence to Taiwan?

When the ROC fled to Taiwan they took with them all of China's treasure along with its treasury. China is happy to leave it there as long as Taiwan remains part of China, but if Taiwan were ever to get independence then China would want it back.

I hold the view that any province should have independence if the residents there want it, but hardly anywhere in the world is that allowed without the whole country playing a part in the decision, including America.


I guess it's also a national security issue too; would Scotland ever get independence if it had very close ties to Russia, especially if Russia might want to put military bases there? You see, this is the situation with Taiwan, where the US is likely to fill it with bases and maybe even nuclear warheads, as they did in Eastern Europe. 


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https://www.quora.com/If-90-of-Taiwanese-people-want-independence-is-there-any-legitimate-reason-for-China-to-deny-independence-to-Taiwan/answer/Richard-C-238?ch=2&share=3f49a246&srid=hA13f


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9 comments:

  1. Andrew AndersonDecember 3, 2020 at 5:02 PM

    took with them all of China's treasure kv

    China's treasure is the talent, knowledge, and character of its people - not gold, silver and jewels.

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  2. Tom HickeyDecember 3, 2020 at 5:21 PM

    Pretty much the same reasons that Abraham Lincoln wouldn't let the South secede from the Union, although China's reasons are better established historically than the agreement created by the US Constitution.

    In any event, attempting to view such things "rationally" from an objective perspective is fanciful.

    History is rational maybe (actually it's an assumption that is not established), but it's not rational in that way since human action is not purely rational and human rationality is bounded to boot.

    Trying to impose "rationality" on the world is a fool's errand or else a cover for power projection.

    Humans are territorial predators and human history is a story of dominance-submission.

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  3. Matt FrankoDecember 3, 2020 at 5:34 PM

    “ 90% of Taiwanese people want independence”

    I seriously doubt that... could be fake news...

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  4. Matt FrankoDecember 3, 2020 at 5:35 PM

    I’ve been there a few times (granted a while ago now) and that was not my direct experience...

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  5. Peter PanDecember 3, 2020 at 5:58 PM

    Taiwan is independent. If they tried going from defacto to dejure, they might not be.

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  6. lastgreekDecember 4, 2020 at 9:47 AM

    "I hold the view that any province should have independence if the residents there want it, but hardly anywhere in the world is that allowed without the whole country playing a part in the decision, including America.

    The French in Quebec don't see it that way, K. They believe that the decision of whether Quebec should separate from Canada resides only with the voters of Quebec, the rest of Canadians have no say.

    Me, personally, I think of the French in Quebec as being nothing more than the largest ethnic group, at present, in the province. The next largest ethnic group being the English of British origin, etc. It drives my wife's sister, who is a hardcore separatist, mad when I say that. And I gotta say that when she gets mad and starts to huff and puff about how the English took advantage of the French for so many years, blah, blah, blah... well, she starts to look super sexy hot to me. Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  7. Peter PanDecember 4, 2020 at 10:32 AM

    It was the anglophone minority who kept Quebec in Canada, by voting No in the '95 referendum. A majority of francophones voted to separate.

    You're welcome, Canada.

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  8. lastgreekDecember 4, 2020 at 12:12 PM

    "It was the anglophone minority who kept Quebec in Canada..."

    The anglophone (English speaking) minority consisted mostly of Greeks, Jews, Italians and Portuguese. There was no way these groups were going to betray Canada, the country that took them in.

    Speaking of Jews, bet you didn't know these guys were from Montreal, Canada:

    Captain James T. Kirk, captain of the starship Enterprise (William Shatner)
    Saul Bellow
    Leonard Cohen
    Charles Krauthammer (My dentist's high school friend!)

    PS: HA, what a coincidence. My wife is now facetiming her sister. I wonder what's she's wearing...

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  9. Peter PanDecember 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM

    I grew up in the Laurentians. My mother worked for a time in Montreal as a Bell Canada operator. I'm an anglo because I went to an English (Protestant) school.

    I never got around to visiting Schwartz's deli.
    (RIP Leonard, good thing you're not seeing the shit going down in the world today.)

    We did get to spend an afternoon at Belmont Park on a school trip.
    And a few times at La Ronde...
    (My parents took me to Expo '67, but too young to remember.)

    To this day I remember where Jewish houses can be found among the villages in and around Ste. Agathe. I may have been in places where the Shatners once vacationed.

    Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.
    Nowadays in my childhood haunts, it's all about the money.

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