Saturday, July 7, 2012

Steve Forbes solves America's problems


Never let it be said that we are one-sided here. Here's Steve Forbes on resolving America's problems. Zero Hedge sums up his position:
Steve Forbes has a quintessentially American policy prescription rooted in American history. The answer to America’s economic problems is—and has always been—new wealth creation. New wealth creation doesn’t come from the government or from the Federal Reserve’s printing press. New wealth creation is what happens naturally with stable money based on the gold standard, lower taxes on individuals, a simplified tax code, reduced bureaucracy and free markets.
The Hera Research Newsletter interview with Forbes is short and there is just chock full of other good stuff, like his flat tax.

Read it at Zero Hedge
Steve Forbes: How To Bring Back America
by Tyler Durden

Here's an argument to ponder:
HRN: How would you go about deregulating health care?
Steve Forbes: ...Patients should have more choice. The insurance companies don’t compete freely for business. We should allow people to shop nationwide for health insurance. I live in New Jersey, which has a lot of senseless regulations. Why can’t I buy a health insurance policy in Pennsylvania that costs less?
Apparently, Mr. Forbes is unaware of how insurance is priced. It's priced on actuarially based on risk and costs, which he seems to realize, and he gets that it the the premium depends on where one lives as a cost determinant.
Typically health care costs are higher in suburban and urban areas then rural areas due to differences in cost of living, so one is charged on the basis of where one lives and is expected to be treated. If Mr. Forbes doesn't move, he won't see his rates change materially, because I would assume that in his neck of the woods living standards, hence costs like hourly wages, physician fees, and hospital fixed costs, are relatively high in comparison to other areas.

This is also true of Medicare supplemental insurance. I get my supplemental through Blue Shield of California. When I moved from rural Northern California (Ukiah) to Boston the rates were different, and when I moved to Iowa City, the rate was still higher than rural California.

And Mr. Forbes, being a billionaire, would really shop for the least expensive health insurance available in the country?

Mr. Forbes is talking his book again while pretending that he has the best interests of everyone at heart.

22 comments:

y said...

"New wealth creation is what happens naturally with stable money based on the gold standard,"

New wealth creation for people like Steve Forbes. Lower wages and/or high unemployment for eveyone else.

Hiw the hell would we even go back to a gold standard system today? Is there even enough gold?

Tom Hickey said...

"How the hell would we even go back to a gold standard system today? Is there even enough gold?"

This is why the gold bugs are banking on an explosion to 10K an ounce.

Nominally, a gold standard would be wildly deflationary in an era of high private debt, and extremely contractionary in real terms.

y said...

even if the US were to change to a gold standard system, the rest of the world probably wouldn't follow suit.

so the price of gold would still zig zag all over the place, causing crazy price changes in the US?

Plus of course, all the gold would disappear out of fort knox the moment the US switched to the new gold standard system, given the humungous trade deficit.

I think for the gold bugs ideas to make any sense at all, there has to be an initial total collapse of the monetary system and global economy.

So is Forbes saying, vote for me and I'll bring about the apocalpse so that we can get the gold standard back afterwards?

y said...

also surely the extreme leverage of existing money to gold would amplify to an extreme any fluctations in the global gold market price (?)

I believe Bob Roddis actually wants to go back to a gold specie or 100% gold reserve system. Which basically is like saying "Destroy it all! Destroy everything!"

Tom Hickey said...

"Plus of course, all the gold would disappear out of fort knox the moment the US switched to the new gold standard system, given the humungous trade deficit."

Which is why Nixon shut the window on international settlement in gold.

Ryan Harris said...

Even though there isn't enough Gold in the world anymore and it is a terrible idea, functionally could they somehow peg to gold without being convertible to gold?

Rod Bobbis said...

MMTers have not the slightest understanding of basic Austrian concepts such as economic calculation, human action, self-organizing systems, yodeling or Linzer torte. An MMTer offered me $100,000 of his funny money once for my old paperback copy of von Mises Theory of Human Action but I just chased him away by shooting gold ingots from my slingshot.

Carlos said...

Pegged to a derivative of gold.....oh my goodness.....let the lord take me now.

Tom Hickey said...

A peg fixes a rate of exchange to some value. Convertibility involves actual exchange of the currency for a numeraire. After the domestic gold standard was ended, the domestic economy was pegged to a fixed price of gold, while convertibility only applied to international settlement.

Matt Franko said...

Forbes is also a big monetarist.

It looks like moron Monetarists are all in the closet for gold... there is a human connection between monetarism and metal-loving (only column 11 of the PTE tho)... I keep seeing this.. gold/silver could just slip right into the monetarist paradigm... creepy!

rsp,

Tom Hickey said...

Matt: "It looks like moron Monetarists are all in the closet for gold"

That's easy to figure out. QTM works with the gold standard, in which the there is no LLR and the Fed controls the monetary based wrt to gold holdings, so that the RR and interest rate determine money supply instead of allowing banks to expand M with the Fed making the needed reserves available. Most significantly, they the govt does need to tax and borrow for funding since policy space is severely limited by the fixed rate and convertibility, even if it is only international convertibility.

Matt Franko said...

"with the Fed making the needed reserves available."

If you take that away then it's chaos event followed by chaos event...

Nixon mentions "monetary crisis" year after year back then if you look at the video I posted above... looks like Nixon just got fed up with it and finally ended gold en toto...

Now we dont have the actual authority of gold anymore (FDR mortally wounded it and Nixon stabbed the final spear in) but gold's morons (useful idiots) remain hanging around.... like Forbes here.

They just wont go away... stay vigilant.

rsp,

Tom Hickey said...

The people into the gold standard are there for one of two reasons, the first is ignorance , and the second is greed — they think it will profit them and they aren't really concerned with the fall out.

Matt Franko said...

Tom,

Going back (Old Testament) a bit this weekend in my devotional time wrt this gold issue:

"Then Aaron said to them:  Tear off the pendants of gold that are in the ears of your wives, your sons and your daughters, and bring them to me.  So all the people tore off the pendants of gold that were in their ears and brought them to Aaron.  He took the gold from their hands and formed it with a graving tool and made of it a molten calf."(Exodus 32:2-4)

Moses comes back from the mountain and witnesses the people offering divine service to the golden calf.  Moses is angered.

"Then he took the calf which they had made, burned it with fire and ground it until it was pulverized; he winnowed it upon the surface of the water and made the sons of Israel drink it." (Exodus 32:20)

Once they had drunk the water laced with all the gold powder and then excreted it from their bodies, the gold, previously possessed in concentrated form and carried as jewelry by the corrupt among them,  would be irretrievable, gone.  Spread all over a large area in powdered form around their latrines.

Then Moses sends the Levites in to kill all the corrupt. (perhaps those then without gold earrings, tho doesnt say)

So it looks like in the Exodus account He may have wanted gold that was in the possession of the corrupt first removed from circulation and cast away permanently from within Israel, and only then He had the corrupt who were in former possession of this gold killed.... to be continued.

rsp,

Leverage said...

Why american conservatives are obsessed with healthcare as the 'origin of all evils'?

I don't see them complaining as usually about war and military spending... And the few which do, do it with a small mouth.

Are american conservatives closet fascists? (Trade wars rhetorics and nationalism seems to appeal to this sentiment too.)

Matt Franko said...

Lev,

imo, at core, it is the tax issue that drives conservatives into this "anti government" zealousness.

In the current heathcare issue, conservatives dont want it because they think "who is going to pay for it?" and their answer is "them" and they think taxes are going to be raised even higher than they currently are. MMT says taxes are currently WAAAAAAY too high here in US (and I agree!) so they know something is dreadfully wrong but they cant figure it out so they just give up and instead want "less government" as a moron solution... sort of like how the Austrians want to just give up on the human and turn it all over to gold and silver, ie a very defeatist attitude... something is "blinding" both of these groups imo (conservatives and Austrians), this may get back to your discoveries on brain function and how the human brain's neocortex can be shut off and then it appears hopeless for these people...

Or they think taxes are going to be raised on their children and grandchildren to "pay off the govt debt", and they have the same problems with that, sad.

Conservatives "hate" so-called "big government" because they are led to believe that eventually "the tax bill is going to arrive".

I would encourage conservatives not to just "give up" on hoping to understand how this all works, and dig in and engage and learn how our monetary economy REALLY operates and THEN choose new policies with this knowledge and truth in hand...

I think right now the GOP in the US has the warrior class and religious zealots on their side but this is starting to not be a plurality as Tom has been pointing out so this may get worse for them..

Increased knowledge of MMT should help out all around I still think...

hey and btw "the 'origin of all evils'" is a riff from Apostle Paul to Timothy, and it was A root of all the evils is "philargurion" which is "fondness for silver", not state currency (nomisma) or "money" (which btw is a non-scriptural term) as is broadly and imo erroneously taught from the pulpits, and again it was A root (singular, implying there are other "roots of evil" of course).

rsp,

John Zelnicker said...

Matt -- I always enjoy and learn something from you scriptural references. The other all too common mistake with that "root of all evils" quote is that most people skip the "love of..."(fondness for) part of the quote and just say that "money is the root of all evils."

Matt Franko said...

Right John.... I think we can successfully use a system of state currency (nomisma), but we cant let ourselves "fall in love with it" so to speak... like many did with silver back in Paul's day apparently...

or we cant "let it use us" so to speak... I believe this is why the Lord told the leadership of Israel to just simply "pay the nomisma to Caesar and move on to more glorious things" if I may paraphrase the scripture...

It cant be just all about the "money", but rather we should be focused on the REAL outcomes (Mike talks about this ALL the time), we can use nomisma to help us keep track of things (spreadsheet accounting), including btw being able to detect economic injustice inflicted upon our fellow man, not just who is the so-called "richest man in the world", but this is NOT a glorious thing, it's just "overhead and administrative" duties if you will.

resp,

Leverage said...

Matt,

If you manage to break the 'costs' issue (who pays for this, taxes issues), conservatives fall back to 'gold standard mentality' and inflation becomes the next root of evil to fight against...

Don't you find this paradoxical? Then we see how "the government is stealing our purchasing power via printing funny money". But we empirically know most inflation is created by the private sector through the banking system and shadow banking... We also know that the so called hard money created even bigger fluctuations of price on relatively free monetary & banking systems, etc. We also know sustained deflation is unfair for debtors and benefits creditors and 'hoarders' (just because there aren't enough policies that favour this, for a starter issuing the so called 'public debt' securities).

Amongst the sector of the population which takes this point of view and complains along these lines is usually relatively accommodated white middle class which has managed to save in liquid assets but has not scaled high enough in the economic pyramid to benefit from the current financial and monetary structure from other financial assets and rents (don't form part of the financial conglomerate directly or indirectly in a significant way).


Each one talking his books, not looking to improve things (more 'glorious' stuff). It's just like if Moses hadn't come down yet and purged the adulation of the false gods.

dilbertgeg said...

There's a helluva lotta Gold Standard comments on Zero Hedge, w lots of profanity.

Let me make one suggestion: I came by MMT via American Monetary Institute (Zarlenga) and then Bill Still's movie Secret of Oz. (I did not know at the time that these were technically wrong on Fed ops.)

Both sources are for "debt-free" Govt-created, democratic money, vs mostly debt-obligated bank-created money.

The first philosophical and political question is WHAT should money mostly be FOR, it's main purpose? Saving and hoarding by Forbes et al, or to be used for actual Adam Smith commerce and investment in real business (vs rentier games)?

Gold is great for hoarding. That's Forbes' love of "stability". Fiat is great for spending, commerce, the less commodity value the better. Electrons flow better than paper, since it makes no sense to hoard them. Can't even keep u warm. Gresham told me so.

Still's movie is FANTASTIC at the history of the Gold Standard, how it was abused to bankrupt farmers and small mfgs, intentionally, WIPED OUT, foreclosure. That's the joy of deflation. This was done repeatedly with NYC/Morgan hoarding gold. "Tomatoes are cheaper" went the Depression song, but that also meant farmers and grocers had to eat a loss.

That's more content than saying "debtor friendly" vs "creditor friendly". That's why the Populist movement formed and eventually found "Cross of Gold" WJ Bryan to "lead" them. Farmers INTENTIONALLY wanted a Silver currency that was not "stable", not scarce, but inflationary, so they could pay off their debts and stay in business.

They had crops and goods. They were short of cash and profits.

"Sound money" = "expensive", high cost of scarce credit. "Soundness" from the creditor's perspective.
"Hard money" = "hard to get" credit & money.

THESE "HICK" FARMERS WERE NOT SO STUPID, less stupid than the propagandized 'gold bugs' today. They were not worried about inflation if their pile of cash savings dropped because (a) they were not rich in saved wealth (b) the focus was on real business & real commerce, not hoarded stacks of money-things.

Bright idea: return to the level of economic prosperity and flow of the 1800s, horse & buggy, slow moving money.

During the "free banking era" no state bank could trust a "foreign" state bank a few days horse-ride away. There were no safe sound standards for banknotes. Bankers went LONG on capital and reserves, worse than when proto-Austrian bankers went 30:1 or more during the Bubble. Banks charged steep discounts, or you had to carry physical gold by horseback or other means.

That, IMO, is a brief list of what's wrong with Gold in terms that morons should understand.

dilbertgeg said...

Warren taught me that Still's and Zarlenga's ideas are functionally already in place, if you ignore -- or abolish -- some of the privilege of Primary Dealer banks and other changes Warren suggested.

The Govt can already create unlimited money. The "national debt" is not some crisis, it's an investment vehicle.

The LESS govt prints, the MORE people have to rely on bank credit.

Ergo, the entire system does not need a total redesign.

I *THINK* what I wrote so far was accurate. Some gold bugs seem to grasp that, others refuse.

Tom Hickey said...

The LESS govt prints, the MORE people have to rely on bank credit.

Right, the PKE-Minsky view is that public debt/private debt ratio is a huge part of the problem. Public debt needs to be more and private debt less in order to reduce financial instability.

Of course, finance capital wants to own more of the action since it is mostly about rent-seeking rather than intermediation, so they lobby heavily against govt deficits other than as necessary to provide the financial sector with a default risk free paid parking place. So they are against no public debt, too. They just want the ratio that benefits their rent-seeking and wealth storage to the max.

Hey, everyone who is rational tries to maximize utility, right? The financial sector is just being rational, as long as they can get away with it.