Saturday, November 2, 2013

Mike Sax — Sumner on the Achilles Heel of MMT

What Scott Sumner doesn't seem to want to understand is that MMT favors fiscal policy based on functional finance over monetary policy involving interest rate setting. His scenario depends on interest rates only and doesn't take into account what MMT actually is about, namely, the replacement of monetary policy run by the central bank ("monetarism") with fiscal policy under the direction of the political authority ("fiscalism"). Instead, Sumner only argues within his own paradigm, the assumptions of which MMT rejects.

In the US, fiscal policy is the constitutional responsibility of Congress, with appropriations originating in the House, subject to the veto power of the president. The president gets to submit a budget, which Congress is under no obligation to accept.

There are political reasons for preferring a fiscal approach to a monetary approach as being more in consonance with democratic governance. Moreover, interest rate setting by the central bank at the apex of financial system smacks of a command economy.

Warren Mosler recommends setting the interest rate at zero and issuing Treasury securities of no longer than 3 mo duration. This obviously means that MMT is unconcerned by the size of the monetary base.

Why? Because the amount of reserve don't affect bank lending, which is influenced by demand from creditworthy borrowers. Banks will charge a competitive risk-weighted rate.

If the cb sets the interest rate at zero, then banks will have a lower cost of lending and can lend less expensively, which they will tend to do in a competitive market. This will favor investment, e.g., permanently low long term rates for residential RE.

MMT regards monetary policy as ineffective in controlling inflation, which result either from supply shortages, e.g., the Arab oil embargo, or demand outstripping the capacity of an economy to meet it. If the government deficit spends to the degree this creates or contributes to excess demand at full employment, then inflation will result. The obvious answer is to cut spending and increase taxes to reduce demand.

MMT is fiscalist, holding that demand is the key fundamental and the chief objectives are full employment along with optimal output and relative price stability.

MMT is anti-monetarist, holding that the size of the monetary base is essentially irrelevant, as QE has shown, the quantity theory has been discredited and interest rates are at best a shotgun, whereas fiscal policy can be tightly targeted. In addition, interest rate setting involves picking winners and losers.

Rather than using interest rates to conduct policy, MMT would use fiscal policy in accordance with the sectoral balance approach and functional finance, along with the MMT JG as a price anchor.

It is important to note that the fiscal balance is different from the budget balance due to variability of tax receipts and automatic stabilization across the cycle. Thus the fiscal balance is set endogenously. Therefore, automatic stabilization and tax rates become the focus in allowing relatively automatic adjustment of the fiscal balance across the cycle.

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Maybe the Modern Money Network could arrange a debate between Scott Sumner and Warren Mosler or one of the MMT economists.

16 comments:

Unknown said...

"If the cb sets the interest rate at zero, then banks will have a lower cost of lending and can lend less expensively"

But Mosler et al also talk about other ways of raising the cost of bank lending, such as via collateral and capital requirements for example.

PeterP said...

There has been discussions between Sumner and MMT, in one case Mosler mercifully bowed out once Sumner pleaded that monetary policy be discussed while assuming banks and loans away. Fullwiler was more forceful and asked that Sumner got his act together and discuss the real world institutions which led Sumner to leave. Discussions with him are a waste of time, he is just not knowledgeable enough.
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=10178
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2011/07/scott-sumner-agrees-that-mmt-policy.html

This thread is the best: he was reduced to asking for links to basics about banking from Post Keynesians. Sadly ana amazingly, he learned nothing since.
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=5893

Tom Hickey said...

Yes, but he specifically says that there are winners and losers in interest rate setting, and bank rates set higher than they need to be based on risk cramp investment, including housing, a main driver of the economy. So in controlling for inflation, there are whole lot of attendance consequences that are economically undesirable as well as unfair. Shotgun approaches are seldom to be recommended, especially when there is a lot of collateral damage involved.

BTW, supply siders should like this encouragement of investment.

Tom Hickey said...

Several years ago before this all started I provided SS with links to MMT, Godley, etc. and said that he really needed to read up on this. He replied that he was too busy.

geerussell said...

My favorite Sumner quote:

"I have no interest in banking or bookkeeping. My interest is monetary policy."

BruceMcF said...

So, in other words "I have not interest in commuting or intercity travel, my interest is transport policy"

Tyler Healey said...

Respectfully, I think it would be a waste of time for MMT to debate with Sumner. MMT should focus on getting on shows like "All In w/ Chris Hayes," "The Rachel Maddow Show," etc. Ralph Nader never got anywhere as a presidential candidate because he couldn't get in the debates that were watched by tens of millions.

Greg said...

"So, in other words "I have not interest in commuting or intercity travel, my interest is transport policy"

LOL!

Unknown said...

My favorite display of ignorance from SS in that post was his contention that if the monetary base was doubled then inflation and NGDP would be double as well. This is pure money multiplier stuff aka nonsense.

The Fed wouldn't need to double the base in order to have a ZIRP. They could just announce it and keep the reserve supply just barely above demand. And this would have the same exact effect as doubling the base.

Besides, this particular type of hypothetical is just plain useless. Would the demand for loans from the public go up, necessitating increased bank lending? Would bank standards stay the same? There are not an infinite amount of credit worthy borrowers. What was the private debt level before the ZIRP policy? Right now private debt isn't expanding because we are already at 300% private debt to GDP and apparently thats just about enough for the private sector. When regarding inflation in his example, would imports rise enough to absorb some of the increase in private debt=money from thereby limiting inflation? Would the velocity of money go down thereby taming the inflation?

There are just so many variables, its truly amazing that SS could ever believe something so simple as a straight linear relationship between the monetary base and NGDP and inflation. Honestly, how can someone so clueless be taken so seriously? Its amazing.

MMT = Reality

Tom Hickey said...

Respectfully, I think it would be a waste of time for MMT to debate with Sumner. MMT should focus on getting on shows like "All In w/ Chris Hayes," "The Rachel Maddow Show," etc. Ralph Nader never got anywhere as a presidential candidate because he couldn't get in the debates that were watched by tens of millions.

That's true but there isn't a limited amount of time, either. I'm sure that someone could cut out the time to debate Sumner. Sumner's NGDP targeting is hot right now, and while it would not be millions watching, it would be a significant crowd.

BTW, MoslerMurphy has topped 16K hits on YouTube.

Tom Hickey said...

Honestly, how can someone so clueless be taken so seriously? Its amazing.

Amazing — and scary. There are a lot of people taking SS seriously. Which is why a debate with an MMT expert would be revealing and why SS would never do it.

paul meli said...

I would be so embarrassed if I found myself in his position...essentially ignorant, that I would do everything humanly possible to learn what is for fear of being exposed as a fraud.

But then, in our manufactured meritocracy, ignorance is a feature, and apparently good for one's career.

Kristjan said...

"I would be so embarrassed if I found myself in his position...essentially ignorant, that I would do everything humanly possible to learn what is for fear of being exposed as a fraud.

But then, in our manufactured meritocracy, ignorance is a feature, and apparently good for one's career."



Makes me think, how can they have a career? Unability of thinking should shine through in other areas also? I guess they are like politicians. I would have never thought the'd be reduced to something like this.

geerussell said...

"That's true but there isn't a limited amount of time, either. I'm sure that someone could cut out the time to debate Sumner. Sumner's NGDP targeting is hot right now, and while it would not be millions watching, it would be a significant crowd."

I don't have to be a psychic to tell you how that debate goes:

SS: ngdp ndgp ngdp ngdp ndgp ndgp ngdp

MMT: blah blah monetary system blah blah transmission mechanism blah blah

SS: expectations expectations expectations expectations expectations expectations

Rinse, repeat for the duration of the debate. You can argue past him but you can't argue with him because he doesn't care how it works.

This came up in the discussion about NGDP futures (another SS gem) over at MR (h/t stone in the comments there) and it really captures the essence of how SS operates: YOU PUT IN THE DETAILS. A letter from Sumner to a top policy maker.

Detroit Dan said...

I agree with every other poster here -- debating with the Market Monetarists is a waste of time. Every time Steve Randy Waldmann engages one of their arguments, for example, it gets bogged down in a swamp of silliness untethered from reality, in my opinion. And Waldmann is normally one of the most insightful economic analysts.

Similary, the Monetary Realists have gone to great pains to engage the Market Monetarists, and it always results in tons of wasted time followed by MR folks throwing up their hands in despair.

I always feel bad when Nick Rowe stops by and makes a reasonable comment at a site such as this, because that's how I feel. He seems like a decent guy, so it's not personal. I'm just not interested in there school of economics.

One of the great strengths of MMT is the clarity it brings to economic issues. It explains how the economy works, and it only detracts from the power of MMT to go off on tangents as to the economy might work in some alternate universe where the Wizard of Oz pulls the string from the Fed's Emerald Palace...

Ralph Musgrave said...

I set out sixteen reasons why monetary policy is cr*p here:

http://ralphanomics.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/sixteen-reasons-why-mmt-is-right-on.html

But I’ve since thought of several more. Paper coming up shortly..