The researchers are very careful about not actually saying that cold fusion/LENR is the source of the E-Cat’s energy, instead merely saying that an “unknown reaction” is at work. In serious scientific circles, LENR is still a bit of a joke/taboo topic. The paper is actually somewhat comical in this regard: The researchers really try to work out how the E-Cat produces so much darn energy — and they conclude that fusion is the only answer — but then they reel it all back in by adding: “The reaction speculation above should only be considered as an example of reasoning and not a serious conjecture.”
Anyway, now that we’ve got the necessary cynicism/scrutiny out of the way, let’s get down to what everyone’s really interested in: The utterly insane amounts of energy produced by the E-Cat.…Breakthrough, or more of the same?
Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline
Sebastian Anthony
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Er no http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
Andy, the rationalwiki's links all predate this latest study, and do not reflect the impact of this latest study.
Sure Clonal but nickel 58/60 wouldn't fuse into 62 so does not add up. Note it's very careful to suggest an "unknown reaction".When it gets through peer review give me a shout (it won't).
Want to be a believer but so far I've been following the e-cat thing for some times it has been an obscure bluff.
this guy said he was going to have a sub $1000 unit in Home Depot by August 2011 so I am still waiting... ;)
Looks like he is hooking up a regular commercial/residential 110V service across this element, measuring how much thermal energy is coming off the element and monitoring his consumption and there is (allegedly) more thermal output than what he is consuming from the power company... so he is claiming a net gain... and the element does not cost that much to produce...
Should be easy to re-create in another laboratory if he provides the elements for testing....
I dont see how they can measure the output with the rig they have in the photo... seems like you could suspend the device in an insulated water tank in a conductive enclosure and see how much the known volume of water heats up vs how much power was used...
Like we've said here still waiting...
note that the boss of Elforsk, the swedish DoE, announce that he funded the test and that they will launch research effort soon
http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/372-ELFORSK-answers-to-Sveriges-Radio-attack-against-their-work-on-LENR-and-E-cat/
at last the fairy tale on wikipedia will be rewritten.. in few years...
for those interested on cold fusion science, established about 1991
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEcoldfusiond.pdf
many more if you search
If fusion could work on the planet, at normal temperatures and pressures using common elements, then by random chance the crust of the earth would contain the components and we would see evidence of fusion reactions in the geologic record. We don't.
We have evidence of fission in many rocks by looking at isotope abundance, we have evidence it has happened. We have actual natural nuclear reactors that formed by random chance in deposits in Africa when the earth was younger and ran for hundreds of millions of years on their own. But that was earlier in history when more u-235 still existed in Uranium deposits. We can see the evidence of the heat and reaction products in the rock. We have no natural fusion reactors despite an abundance of all the products necessary. Deep underground, the earth is very rich in hydrogen and it has most other elements lighter than iron or nickel but no fusion happens even at relatively higher temperatures and pressures. Additionally when we measure the temperature of the earth, and how it has cooled since it accreted, we'd be warmer if fusion were creating heat.
The only place in the universe that we observe fusion naturally is in the high temperatures and pressures of stars where we have hot plasma.
Of course anything is possible, and if these guys have something, they will do very well, and they will easily be providing heat to every home around the world. But I wouldn't bet my lunch money on it!
First we have no evidence of natural fission reactor until recently when some CEA guys were called to check suspected fraud by miners...
Second, is that LENR is far from easy.
It cannot be in the bulk of palladium, or nickel, not even in the clean surface, but in a very improbable NAE, where a quantum structure is protected from chemical environment. A NAE that have to grow naturally...
It is as probable as to find a working field effect transistor inside earth crust. (we found shottky junction anyway, but with difficulties, it was crystal radio).
we should be careful with that kind of argument as the data are complex.
Best is to read the books of Edmund Storms
The science of LENR, just as a beginning... of that student guide
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEastudentsg.pdf
for the theory of the NAE, Ed storms before he propose his own thery, make a very good description of which theory are impossible, and what are the required caracteristics
This is a short introduction to his arguments
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf
it is more detailed in his book
http://lenrexplained.com/
The NAE is not build easily, but when it appears the effect is huge...
a fission reactor is much more simple. NAE compare more to nanolaser, quantum pits.
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