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Marcy used to be pretty solid but like a lot of people she has "lost it" over Trump. That said, she does raise legitimate questions, though mostly based on assumptions, not facts.
Bottom line, if Trump is going to make public accusations against a former president, he should be prepared to back up the accusations with evidence, and hopefully not merely based on a Breitbart story as Marcy believes.
"The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House."
Here: "intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House."
Not legal if those comms involved Trump ie a US person...
Matt, I personally find it easy to believe that Trump was wiretapped. After the Snowden leaks, I just figured that all of our communications were being monitored.
Well Dan the connectivity information of a voice/text call is being retained just look at your phone bill... but idk about the contents... there are over a billion of phone calls per day so to record all of the contents would require retransmission of the contents to a recording location and I just dont see that as feasible it would require double of the effective capacity as all calls would have to go to two locations...
However, if there was a warrant on a specific number(s) that would seem technically feasible to dual route that comms to a third location for recording/transcription it is a small % of total..
Emails (ascii) are probably all retained and could be retrieved ex post with a court order...
So with Trump they are talking about a specific server in the Tower so they probably could just enter the IP address of that server and record everything in and out of it, dont know if they also had the voice terminals or if Trump implemented VOIP at the Tower...
Its surveillance under FISA not like a criminal warrant where they go in and can take the server and get everything off of it...
there seems to be legal nuance between surveillance and a criminal investigation...
Larry Elliott quotes Lord Skidelsky for The Guardian:
The 30s are proof that nothing in economics is inevitable. There was eventually a backlash against the economic orthodoxies and Skidelsky can see why there is another backlash happening today. “Globalisation enables capital to escape national and union control. I am much more sympathetic since the start of the crisis to the Marxist way of analysing things.
“Trump will be impeached, assassinated or frustrated by Congress,” Skidelsky suggests. “Or he will remain popular enough to overcome the liberal consensus that he is a shit of the first order. After all, a lot of people agree with what he is doing.”
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Marcy has dissed the Levin/Breitbart story.
Marcy used to be pretty solid but like a lot of people she has "lost it" over Trump. That said, she does raise legitimate questions, though mostly based on assumptions, not facts.
Bottom line, if Trump is going to make public accusations against a former president, he should be prepared to back up the accusations with evidence, and hopefully not merely based on a Breitbart story as Marcy believes.
Here is another take:
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/
Dan its right here in the NYT:
"The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House."
Here: "intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House."
Not legal if those comms involved Trump ie a US person...
Matt, I personally find it easy to believe that Trump was wiretapped. After the Snowden leaks, I just figured that all of our communications were being monitored.
Still, hard evidence would be helpful.
Well Dan the connectivity information of a voice/text call is being retained just look at your phone bill... but idk about the contents... there are over a billion of phone calls per day so to record all of the contents would require retransmission of the contents to a recording location and I just dont see that as feasible it would require double of the effective capacity as all calls would have to go to two locations...
However, if there was a warrant on a specific number(s) that would seem technically feasible to dual route that comms to a third location for recording/transcription it is a small % of total..
Emails (ascii) are probably all retained and could be retrieved ex post with a court order...
So with Trump they are talking about a specific server in the Tower so they probably could just enter the IP address of that server and record everything in and out of it, dont know if they also had the voice terminals or if Trump implemented VOIP at the Tower...
Its surveillance under FISA not like a criminal warrant where they go in and can take the server and get everything off of it...
there seems to be legal nuance between surveillance and a criminal investigation...
Larry Elliott quotes Lord Skidelsky for The Guardian:
The 30s are proof that nothing in economics is inevitable. There was eventually a backlash against the economic orthodoxies and Skidelsky can see why there is another backlash happening today. “Globalisation enables capital to escape national and union control. I am much more sympathetic since the start of the crisis to the Marxist way of analysing things.
“Trump will be impeached, assassinated or frustrated by Congress,” Skidelsky suggests. “Or he will remain popular enough to overcome the liberal consensus that he is a shit of the first order. After all, a lot of people agree with what he is doing.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/04/crash-1929-wall-street-what-the-great-depression-reveals-about-our-future
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