Thursday, February 17, 2022

U.S. says Putin is putting Ukraine invasion plan in motion — Dave Lawler

 US frontrunning the "news"? Expect false flag to force Russia's hand?

Axios
U.S. says Putin is putting Ukraine invasion plan in motion
Dave Lawler

14 comments:

Peter Pan said...

What if Putin did nothing and allowed the Ukies to subjugate Donbass?

Videos of Russian civilians being massacred would eventually surface.

Putin would lose his job, but the West would be shamed.

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Nah, the Russians would still be painted as the aggressor.

Tom Hickey said...

Since Russia has an open offer for a Russian passport (citizenship) to all in the Donbas that want it, it is doubtful that it would reflect so poorly on him that he would be at political risk. Moreover, Russia has no actual need for the Donbas territory any more than any other Ukrainian territory. So I would say it is definitely at option at this point. Of course, he has other options, too, claiming R2P against genocide and recognizing the insurgent republics and coming to their aid when they request are two of them. Russians plan carefully in advance and have all this gamed out, I am quite sure.

Putin is already painted as the "aggressor" ('killer"), so that doesn't matter.

This is a game among the US, Russia, and Europe, with Europe holding the short end of the stick. In a worst case scenario, Russia completely wipes out continental Europe and the UK. The best case scenario, Europe is hobbled economically and become a colony of the US instead of a vassal. European leaders know this, of course. This is why a new security architecture is so vital to them.

Peter Pan said...

Has there been an exodus from Donbass?

Tom Hickey said...

Has there been an exodus from Donbass?

Putin has ordered government to prepare for those who choose to go to Russia. But no numbers I have seen so far.

Peter Pan said...

Well, it would be termed an evacuation from this point onward.

Matt Franko said...

I think Putin should just go ahead and invade the Dumbass….

Peter Pan said...

It would be better from a PR point of view if he didn't. There may be no future for ethnic Russians within Ukraine.

Tom Hickey said...

The only condition that will cause Russia to enter Ukraine is Ukraine forces attacking Russian citizens. That would happen only after a clear Ukie invasion of Donbass in violation of the Minsk Agreement and a breaking of the ceasefire.

The US plan to draw Russia into a trap is failing. Russia is onto it.

Biden is so far out on a limb right now he is practically begging Putin to invade.

Tom Hickey said...

Martin Armstrong gets this one right.

Ukraine & the Separatist Movement

Peter Pan said...

The Ukrainian military will shell civilian areas - just like last time. It's sort of unavoidable in urban areas.

Matt Franko said...

Maybe because Democrats were asleep at the switch for Crimea they are overcompensating this time … don’t want to be accused of being blindsided again so they are continuously saying Russia is going to invade the next day…. Won’t look as incompetent…

Peter Pan said...

That tactic didn't turn out well for Chicken Little...

Matt Franko said...

Just trying to not look like they don’t know what is going on…

Peter Pan said...

They need to try harder...