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"Through this course all these decades, Vision becomes a concept without meaníng, it becomes useless. The Western man learns to compromise with the current situation since the retirement from a search of a better society is established permanently at the core of the Western neo-rationalism. Therefore, the lack of Vision leads to a more terrifying result concerning the concept of Liberty: Liberty has downgraded to a more fundamental level since the "lobotomized" brain has lost its capability to imagine ideal situations beyond the limits imposed by its nature."
I think you get close here, your 'lack of vision" is aka BLINDNESS... ie in Greek they are 'tuphloi'...
ok, then we also have your 'lobotomy' coming in which also makes them 'stupid/insipid' or the Greek moroi (in English the familiar 'morons')
So as the scripture terms it, they are "stupid and blind!" Mat 23:17
ok, so we have both established that they are blind morons.
ie they are blind AND stupid.
Now does the blindness cause the stupidity? Are they related? Hard to tell.... I lean towards not. These are independent afflictions. Let this sit for now....
now here may be where you go off from my perspective: instead of this 'blindness and stupidity' leading to some sort of insufficient 'liberty', this is not what is going on, JUST THE OPPOSITE HAPPENS..
they instead of screwing up 'liberty', (btw I cannot even find any word in the Greek scriptures that can translate into 'liberty' which is interesting....) ie making this a matter of degree of 'liberty' here, no, they are missing just the opposite of 'liberty' they are missing 'authority' or in the Greek scriptures 'exousia' or 'out-being'...
THIS is the problem.
This is not just a 20th century event imo, this has been going on for almost 2,000 years here in the west...
So their being stupid and blind leaves them without 'knowledge' (ie they are 'moroi' or 'insipid') and no view (ie they are blind) of just and righteous 'authority' or 'exousia'.... then we see all of the chaos, corruption and carnage come in.
So I guess I agree with your 'stupid and blind' assessment, but this doesnt result in some sort of 'perversion of liberty' or something... it leaves them unable to see and have knowledge of 'authority'... and here we are...
First of all I agree, it is not a matter of blindness and stupidity. Don't forget you and I, as humans, we are part of this culture.
Very interesting that you know the Greek words. Well in Greek there is only one word for Liberty and Freedom: Eleftheria (Ελευθερία).
I think that the problem is that in reality, societies were never free in reality and at this point you are right. But now there is a big difference. State authority is replaced by a "free market" authority which presented as the ideal environment for man to get free from authoritarian governments. This is far from truth. The system not only becomes more and more authoritarian but local governments are replaced by a global brutal authority driven by banks and corporations.
And that's the big difference. For the first time in history a system has so much power. It builds armies of economists, people in public relations, controls mainstream media, all the knowledge about the human behavior and psychology. It's very hard to fight against it. It builds more and more people who serve it, who are totally dependent on it. We actually live in a form of "Matrix".
People are not stupid and blind. They are just so much dependent on this system that they tolerate all the chaos, corruption and carnage. They tolerate this because they are unable to vision something different to bet on it. So they choose corrupted authority and repression instead of absolute destruction.
I would agree that ALL are not. For instance YOU or I are not...
But imo yes, many if not ALL others (in policy positions) are 'stupid and blind' in this area...
You have said as much yourself in your post here.. and I agree with it...
Let's break this down if you will as I need the help in Greek, if you would engage here...
So we have in English 'morons' or 'stupid ones' or 'insipid ones' where the Greek word is 'moroi' (i dont have the Greek fonts installed on my system) what does this word mean in Greek?
'Tasteless'? 'Insipid'? like 'lacking flavor' or 'lacking a key ingredient'?
So as 'morons' they lack a certain key 'ingredient'? They lack certain 'knowledge'? This is what I see with your 'lobotomy' its like a part of their brains are missing, or knowledge is missing from their brains.... call it a 'lobotomy' or whatever that is a good metaphor imo..
IOW we would say with our knowledge: "look, under a system of state currency, our government can always credit anyone's bank account and provide whatever quantities of currency are required for a person to receive a robust means of subsistence" .... and they say like "what are you talking about?" or (literally!) "where are they going to get the money?" or something like this... with these responses, they manifestly demonstrate a 'lack of a key ingredient' or a 'tastelessness' ie they are 'moroi' human beings... so this is the 'stupid'... ie they ARE 'stupid'.
And then, when they impose whatever their stupid selves believe is going to help, it just makes the results WORSE (we see the deficits INCREASE, and unemployment INCREASE) and they stand there scratching their heads.... so this is textbook 'stupidity' here... there is no empirical evidence to the contrary..
Then they have no other solutions as the true solutions (that WE can see, ie thru govt authority) they are COMPLETELY BLIND TO, iow they think govts "get the money" from people/households and "they are out of money" while these individuals/households are lesser authorities in reality, but again, they are BLIND to this...
So imo, they ARE 'stupid and blind', your post actually convinces me even more of my opinion here... they are 'stupid' and cannot understand how this system operates... and they are 'blind' to the correct orientation of authority required to fix these economic issues...
Now the question becomes: Can WE, who are NOT stupid and blind, act to correct this situation within humanity using the knowledge and vision WE have? perhaps passing this knowledge and vision on to many others who CAN receive it?
I think we can. But we have to get to a correct diagnosis first.
I submit the problem is characterized best as we have the "stupid and blind" in policy positions.... which is how I interpret the whole theme of your post and agree with it..
How Western societies lost their faith in Vision
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system, good post....
ReplyDelete"Through this course all these decades, Vision becomes a concept without meaníng, it becomes useless. The Western man learns to compromise with the current situation since the retirement from a search of a better society is established permanently at the core of the Western neo-rationalism. Therefore, the lack of Vision leads to a more terrifying result concerning the concept of Liberty: Liberty has downgraded to a more fundamental level since the "lobotomized" brain has lost its capability to imagine ideal situations beyond the limits imposed by its nature."
I think you get close here, your 'lack of vision" is aka BLINDNESS... ie in Greek they are 'tuphloi'...
ok, then we also have your 'lobotomy' coming in which also makes them 'stupid/insipid' or the Greek moroi (in English the familiar 'morons')
So as the scripture terms it, they are "stupid and blind!" Mat 23:17
ok, so we have both established that they are blind morons.
ie they are blind AND stupid.
Now does the blindness cause the stupidity? Are they related? Hard to tell.... I lean towards not. These are independent afflictions. Let this sit for now....
now here may be where you go off from my perspective: instead of this 'blindness and stupidity' leading to some sort of insufficient 'liberty', this is not what is going on, JUST THE OPPOSITE HAPPENS..
they instead of screwing up 'liberty', (btw I cannot even find any word in the Greek scriptures that can translate into 'liberty' which is interesting....) ie making this a matter of degree of 'liberty' here, no, they are missing just the opposite of 'liberty' they are missing 'authority' or in the Greek scriptures 'exousia' or 'out-being'...
THIS is the problem.
This is not just a 20th century event imo, this has been going on for almost 2,000 years here in the west...
So their being stupid and blind leaves them without 'knowledge' (ie they are 'moroi' or 'insipid') and no view (ie they are blind) of just and righteous 'authority' or 'exousia'.... then we see all of the chaos, corruption and carnage come in.
So I guess I agree with your 'stupid and blind' assessment, but this doesnt result in some sort of 'perversion of liberty' or something... it leaves them unable to see and have knowledge of 'authority'... and here we are...
rsp
Thank you Matt
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I agree, it is not a matter of blindness and stupidity. Don't forget you and I, as humans, we are part of this culture.
Very interesting that you know the Greek words. Well in Greek there is only one word for Liberty and Freedom: Eleftheria (Ελευθερία).
I think that the problem is that in reality, societies were never free in reality and at this point you are right. But now there is a big difference. State authority is replaced by a "free market" authority which presented as the ideal environment for man to get free from authoritarian governments. This is far from truth. The system not only becomes more and more authoritarian but local governments are replaced by a global brutal authority driven by banks and corporations.
And that's the big difference. For the first time in history a system has so much power. It builds armies of economists, people in public relations, controls mainstream media, all the knowledge about the human behavior and psychology. It's very hard to fight against it. It builds more and more people who serve it, who are totally dependent on it. We actually live in a form of "Matrix".
People are not stupid and blind. They are just so much dependent on this system that they tolerate all the chaos, corruption and carnage. They tolerate this because they are unable to vision something different to bet on it. So they choose corrupted authority and repression instead of absolute destruction.
System,
ReplyDelete"People are not stupid and blind."
I would agree that ALL are not. For instance YOU or I are not...
But imo yes, many if not ALL others (in policy positions) are 'stupid and blind' in this area...
You have said as much yourself in your post here.. and I agree with it...
Let's break this down if you will as I need the help in Greek, if you would engage here...
So we have in English 'morons' or 'stupid ones' or 'insipid ones' where the Greek word is 'moroi' (i dont have the Greek fonts installed on my system) what does this word mean in Greek?
'Tasteless'? 'Insipid'? like 'lacking flavor' or 'lacking a key ingredient'?
So as 'morons' they lack a certain key 'ingredient'? They lack certain 'knowledge'? This is what I see with your 'lobotomy' its like a part of their brains are missing, or knowledge is missing from their brains.... call it a 'lobotomy' or whatever that is a good metaphor imo..
IOW we would say with our knowledge: "look, under a system of state currency, our government can always credit anyone's bank account and provide whatever quantities of currency are required for a person to receive a robust means of subsistence" .... and they say like "what are you talking about?" or (literally!) "where are they going to get the money?" or something like this... with these responses, they manifestly demonstrate a 'lack of a key ingredient' or a 'tastelessness' ie they are 'moroi' human beings... so this is the 'stupid'... ie they ARE 'stupid'.
And then, when they impose whatever their stupid selves believe is going to help, it just makes the results WORSE (we see the deficits INCREASE, and unemployment INCREASE) and they stand there scratching their heads.... so this is textbook 'stupidity' here... there is no empirical evidence to the contrary..
Then they have no other solutions as the true solutions (that WE can see, ie thru govt authority) they are COMPLETELY BLIND TO, iow they think govts "get the money" from people/households and "they are out of money" while these individuals/households are lesser authorities in reality, but again, they are BLIND to this...
So imo, they ARE 'stupid and blind', your post actually convinces me even more of my opinion here... they are 'stupid' and cannot understand how this system operates... and they are 'blind' to the correct orientation of authority required to fix these economic issues...
Now the question becomes: Can WE, who are NOT stupid and blind, act to correct this situation within humanity using the knowledge and vision WE have? perhaps passing this knowledge and vision on to many others who CAN receive it?
I think we can. But we have to get to a correct diagnosis first.
I submit the problem is characterized best as we have the "stupid and blind" in policy positions.... which is how I interpret the whole theme of your post and agree with it..
rsp,