Pope Francis was out and about this week and made some revealing statements regarding his views on a few economic issues. Story covered by AP here.
Here are some choice excerpts:
Pope Francis broke bread with the poor and embraced the disabled on a pilgrimage to his namesake's hometown Friday, urging the faithful to follow the example of the 13th-century St. Francis, who renounced a wealthy, dissolute lifestyle to embrace a life of poverty and service to the poor.So we can see here that at least according to the AP, the Pope thinks that everyone of the faithful should be poor, or lack adequate "means of subsistence".... nice.
Accordingly, it looks like he had to have lunch at a local soup kitchen because that is where everyone without an adequate means of subsistence has to go to eat in Francis' economic world:
Francis had lunch with a group of poor at a soup kitchen after demanding that the faithful "strip" themselves of their worldly attachment to wealth, which he said is killing the church and its souls.He then uses location to provide the context for his message of exhortation to the faithful to live a life of poverty.
He delivered that exhortation during the most evocative stop of the day, in the simple room where St. Francis stripped off his clothes, renounced his wealth and vowed to live a life of poverty.He then proceeds to make in my view a very Murdochian statement to a mother of an adult son who is not able to leave home, get married and start his own household:
He showed that same sense of humor later when he told a story about a mother who lamented that her 30-year-old son still hadn't gotten married - a reference to a generation of Italian men who seem unwilling to move out: "Signora," Francis recalled telling her. "Stop ironing his shirts!"Yes AP, they indeed seem unwilling, while we know that the way this Eurosystem deficit country is being economically administered simply cannot deliver domestic incomes adequate to result in robust new household formation.
But that's not the way the Pope sees it, its because the son is being lazy or something.
We can compare this to a statement tweeted recently by Rupert Murdoch, made in view of a recent right-center election victory in Australia:
"Aust election public sick of public sector workers and phony (sic) welfare scroungers sucking life out of economy. Others nations to follow in time,"We can see the congruity between the Pope's view of our current economic failures and Murdoch's which I think is very similar, they both think it is due to some form of "laziness" on the part of victims. So the Pope is in very good company here.
I guess this young man is supposed to get married and start making babies anyway even in the face of an income which is locally inadequate to provision his future household.... Oh, I forgot, I guess he logically could just take his family to the soup kitchen to eat and house them in a shelter .... ooops.
At this point, I can't even say that this Pope is a moron, he may actually be below the moron threshold ... he is "sub-moron", a loose cannon, indeed a dangerous person due to his present stature among humans.
I cannot see where he thinks we are going with this view of his. His view is a "dead end" of poverty and depression.
One of my favorite scriptures comes to mind: "Stupid and blind!" (Mat 23:17)
I'll assume his epistemology is the typical mainstream Christian view that "the church" (METONYM ALERT!) is supposed to somehow take the place of Israel in all of this blah, blah, blah.... (Which for FD is not my view.)
So even if I look at it this way for a moment, where is he getting that we humans should be satisfied with poverty and depression in this era? Where is this doctrine asserted in scripture?
What is this man doing? I simply do not get it. (He reminds me here of Alan Greenspan like a "Mr. Magoo" type person...)
If he thinks "the church" is Israel, then ok let's go with that hypothetically at least, the prophet John implored things for Israel to:
"make ready the road of the Lord! Straight...be making the highways'" of Him!" Luke 3:4Ok, how were they supposed to do that?
"10 And the throngs inquired of him, saying "What, then, should we be doing?" Luke 3:10John tells them in THREE steps (this should not be hard Francis you only have to count up to 3 I'll assume you have that covered), ok, here goes... ONE:
11 Now answering, he said to them, "He who has two tunics, let him be sharing with him who has none, and let him who has food be doing likewise."Redistribute the economic surplus justly, ok.... TWO:
12 Now tribute collectors also came to be baptized, and they said to him, "Teacher, what should we be doing?"13 Now he said to them, "Impose nothing more than has been prescribed to you."Get the fiscal flows correct, ok..... THREE:
14 Now soldiers also inquired of him, saying, "What should we also be doing?" And he said to them, "You should be intimidating no one, neither be blackmailing, and be sufficed with your rations."Eliminate government corruption... 1...2...3.
Francis in my view thinks "the church" is Israel and is terminally stuck in step one and can't get out of it.
He is at a "dead end" and wants many others to join him there.
5 comments:
=( Pretty Dim view of the new Pope, Matt. He has dedicated his life to addressing the distributional issues in the economy. Giving up a small piece of your wealth and voluntarily enduring some amount of poverty is not the same as being poor. There is enough fiat to go around. There are never enough real resources to go around and will always be people that are impoverished by even when real output is maximized by government.
I can't say I agree Matt. The Pope's message of being in solidarity with the poor is not the same as saying it is a good thing.
And I find Francis to be more of an MMTer than you give him credit for....just last we he said "the most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old. The old need care and companionship; the young need work and hope but have neither one nor the other, and the problem is they don't even look for them any more. They have been crushed by the present. You tell me: can you live crushed under the weight of the present? Without a memory of the past and without the desire to look ahead to the future by building something, a future, a family? Can you go on like this? This, to me, is the most urgent problem that the Church is facing"
This sounds to me to be pretty similar to our argument- unemployment is causing intense short term pain and severely undermining the future.
Another distinction I would make is the church deals mostly with spiritual, intangible issues. Governments deal with the exact opposites- everything that is tangible and quantifiable. I dont think its fair to criticize a priest for not being 100% aware of government policy options!
I'll add in one final quote that inspired me intensely: "Political prayer is necessary because people participate in their leaders decisions, whether they acknowledge it or not. “None of us can say, ‘I have nothing to do with this, they govern.’ No, no, I am responsible for their governance, and I have to do the best so that they govern well, and I have to do my best by participating in politics according to my ability,...Politics, according to the Social Doctrine of the Church, is one of the highest forms of charity, because it serves the common good."
Ryan,
I do not accept the advocacy of poverty not even from the Pope or anyone else for that matter...
Justin,
Then why the dumb joke to the distressed mother?
If he is indignant at the sight of the unemployment, why blame it on the son? Even as a joke, it is no laughing matter..
And the other thing is where is he getting that the members of "the church" should vow to live in poverty? Where the hell is he getting this in scripture???
What is his scriptural basis for this?
He disrespects the word of God because even in his view that "the church" is Israel, we can see from the scripture from Luke here that God speaking thru His prophet John had no problem with telling govt officials what to do...
Until he gets back to the word of God he is stuck on stupid I'm afraid....
I still hold out hope as he has not gone as far as to say "we are out of money" yet... he just doesnt want us to "worship money" which no one is doing last I checked... who is "worshiping money?"
people just want enough "money" to be able to live well for themselves and their households... there is nothing wrong with this.. and I can find nothing in scripture that says otherwise...
Here is the Lord directly on this type of thing:
8 "Or what woman having ten drachmas, if she should ever be losing one drachma, is not lighting a lamp and sweeping the house and seeking carefully till she may be finding it?
9 And, finding it, she is calling together the friends and the neighbors, saying 'Rejoice together with me that I found the drachma which I lose!'
10 Thus, I am saying to you, there is coming to be joy in the sight of the messengers of God over one sinner repenting." Luke 15
Why didnt the Lord condemn this type of woman and indicate that she should never rejoice over having a few drachmas around for a rainy day?????
The Pope is outside of scriptural truth and he will get nowhere because of this... he is in a terminal soup kitchen with Paul Ryan and the other morons...
rsp.
I reckon the Pope is taken completely out of context here. I don't think he is saying everyone should live like they're poor. He's not saying everyone should live like they're wealthy either.
Just saying walk a mile in their shoes and help those in need.
On any other site I would be inclined to think it is the dogmatic view of the author of the post.
Sennex,
Right the first of three admonishments from John as in Luke's account...
This is still incomplete if what he is trying to do is "make ready the road of the Lord"... if this is what he is doing.
I cant really see what he is trying to do with all of this other than provide fodder for the Paul Ryan types and subject "the church" to an eternal soup kitchen life...
I wonder where he places the USD stock amount threshold for "wealth" between a "good person" and a "bad person"?
Maybe he should come up with a nation by nation guideline where you cant have any more "money" than that or it then turns into his "idolatry" and you have to go to hell... that would at least give "the church" some concrete guidelines....
rsp,
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