Monday, June 25, 2012

Randy Wray — Paul McCulley: MMT Won: Declare Victory But Be Magnanimous About It


Randy reports on the discussion of Euroland at the Levy conference.

Bonus: Link to pre-order a print copy of Modern Money Theory: A Primer on Macroeconomics for Sovereign Monetary Systems, by L. Randall Wray , Palgrave Macmillan, August 2012

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Paul McCulley: MMT Won: Declare Victory But Be Magnanimous About It
by L. Randall Wray

40 comments:

JK said...

Anyone know when it should be done/delivered?

Phil said...

How modest of Mr. Wray. MMT steals Wynne Godley's prediction made in 1992, claims it as their own and then cashes in by selling books to the fools who think their theory explains how it all works. Ha.

Detroit Dan said...

Wray, Mitchell, and Mosler deserve the Nobel Prize. Yes, they built upon the work of Godley and others, but they put a lot of stuff together and extended it so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts...

PeterP said...

Phil,

Godley was one of the fathers of MMT, they credit him for the sectoral balances and stock-flow consistency each time.

Tom Hickey said...

@ JK

Says August 2012.

Phil said...

Ha. A "father of MMT". Stealing his ideas and repackaging them as your own does not make him a MMTer. In fact, Godley directly rejected many of the MMT positions.

Matt Franko said...

I dont think being magnanimous about it is going to get MMT anywhere... will just make it easier on the current mainstream batch of incompetents to maintain status quo and will keep MMT below the radar of broad public awareness...

rsp,

JK said...

Hey Tom this could be important…

I went start to go through to pre order one, and in the second screen, right before "proceed to checkout" …at the top it says..

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PeterP said...

Phil,

Nobody is stealing or repackaging. They say "Godley", this is crediting, not stealing. You mistook MMT for some offshoot maybe... They for a moment behaved like they invented soft currency economics.

Jonf said...

I agree with Dan's sentiments. I also think those guys have gotten all the economics right both here and in Europe and they do so all the time. Check out Warren's blog for example. Why is he not on the Green Party ticket?

Tom Hickey said...

Wynne Godley, L. Randall Wray, "Can Goldilocks Survive?"

I guess Randy forged Wynne Godley's name to that.

Grow up, Phil. How old are you. 16?

Trixie said...

Very nice.

But what are the implications here? As in the potential to affect real policy change in the EZ?

Or is this simply more people adopting MMT ideas? How much weight does the Levy Institute have in the mainstream?

All in, can someone paint a slightly bigger picture here?

Phil said...

Phil,

Wray does not cite Godley in his article. And MMTers always claim they predicted the Euro crisis even though they stole Godley's prediction.

Tom,

That article was written in 1999. 7 years after Godley made his original Euro prediction.

MMT stole this idea from Godley and is now using it to promote their own agenda as though it validates it.

Tom Hickey said...

You are welcome to tell it your way, Phil. McCulley apparently disagrees.

FDO15 said...

Wray is arrogant as always. And then he goes and calls a commenter stupid in his comments. This is an MMTer "leader"? This is the person you all look up to? He's an embarrassment to the academic community and the fact that he doesn't cite the Godley prediction surprise me in the least. This man is burning MMT one story at a time. You don't even need people to refute it with his writing style on the loose.

Tom Hickey said...

McCulley doesn't think so, FDO15.

FDO15 said...

Since when does anyone care what Paul McCulley thinks? He's a retired crank from an investment firm that MMT has spent a lot of time trashing.

Tom Hickey said...

The people that count care a lot more about what McCulley thinks than what you think. Especially since after he retired it is obvious that he was the brains at PIMCO given their performance record.

Ryan Harris said...

I think they usually trashed Gross and not PIMCO or McCulley. Virtually all Gross' opinions and predictions aren't applicable to a modern money economy.

STF said...

Stephanie cited Godley 1992 4 times in her own chapter in her 2003 book. Just looked to confirm. And that's from her dissertation some years earlier.

This is like Obama's birth certificate with all these MMT haters--just stupid people with nothing better to do. Don't care--much bigger fish to fry and that's in fact what we're doing right now in real time. Get a life.

Phil said...

Nice one Fullwiler. Your comments are only slightly less embarrassing than Wray's. No wonder none of you work at a top 25 school. What school would want to be represented by people who run around on the internet pretending to be all important while wasting their time calling people "stupid" left and right. You're an embarrassment.

STF said...

Said "Phil," who's not brave enough to even publish his real name.

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Phil said...

Yeah, because this is a bravery contest where you win points for publishing under your full name. Ha. You have an interesting view of the world there mr champion of internet integrity! Keep up the good fight while wrecking your name in the name of internet bravery!

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STF said...

Yes, "Phil," it was already obvious that integrity wasn't what you were after, but thanks for confirming.

Unforgiven said...

Scott -

He sounds like straw-master FDO going in under a different "name".

Sour grapes from the Politi-troll.

Tom Hickey said...

Phi: "You're an embarrassment."

You are an embarrassment to yourself.

Actually you are just trying to provoke us to take you comments down so you can go back to wherever you came from and say we censored you.

Not gonna happen.

If you want to interact, fine. Otherwise we don't feed the trolls.

Unforgiven said...

I'm waiting for FDO's signature "cult" signoff, after which he enthusiastically congratulates himself.

Popcorn's almost ready.

Andrew said...

have the toys been thrown out of the pram again?

If nobody picks them up, the little buggers will bawl their eyes out.

Matt Franko said...

" Especially since after he retired it is obvious that he was the brains at PIMCO given their performance record."

I'd like to hear what McCulley thinks about his former boss Gross tweeting "who's going to buy them now?" last year at the end of QE2, and then bonds immediately proceed to rally like over 25%...

Matt Franko said...

Magnanimous: 1. Courageously noble in mind and heart. 2. Generous in forgiving; eschewing resentment or revenge; unselfish.

1. OK as far as MMTers go..

2. It's not up to MMT to "forgive", and it's not like MMT wants "revenge", and MMTers are certainly not selfish...

I dont see how "magnanimous" applies here. This is a diversion.

"expose, rebuke, entreat, with all patience and teaching." 2 Timothy 4:2

Looks to me that we are still in the "expose" phase, and havent even started the "rebuke", and are well in advance of the point of an "entreaty".

McCulley's sugggestion to "magnanimously" declare victory is very premature...

rsp

Anonymous said...

FDO/Phil you are full of crap and hate.

Ignore trolls please.

Mike Norman said...

"I dont think being magnanimous about it is going to get MMT anywhere... will just make it easier on the current mainstream batch of incompetents to maintain status quo and will keep MMT below the radar of broad public awareness..."

Matt, you totally read my mind. MMTers have already been far too magnanimous in my opinion. And that keeps us marginalized and stepped upon. We have to become warriors. Take no prisoners!!!

Ryan Harris said...

Matt, BBC is reporting a giant new hoard of coins unearthed in the UK and of course it was buried under a hedge row. So it is maybe the very first... Im not going to say it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-18579868

Anonymous said...

What happened to the textbook that Wray was writing with Bill Mitchell?

Tom Hickey said...

Bill is putting a draft up in installments that come out on Friday. I've put the first three up here.

Matt Franko said...

Ryan thanks... dont tell me a "hedge" fund??? Ha!

"44 "Like is the kingdom of the heavens to a treasure hidden in the field, finding which, a man hides it, and, in his joy, is going away, and is selling all, whatever he has, and is buying that field." Mat 13:44

Burying treasure looks like was going on a lot back then...

rsp

Anonymous said...

So the Wray/Mitchell textbook is a different thing still forthcoming?

It's weird because by reading the contents of the Wray-only book it seems to have a wide breadth of topics covered. What will be left to write anew on the double-authored textbook, then?

Tom Hickey said...

From what I can tell from the online drafts, the Mitchell-Wray book is designed to be used as a macro textbook, while the Wray book is an more explication of MMT that can be double as a text.