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All this articles appearing from him are self-justification of their incompetence and of Tsipras cowardice. In the end was their European dreams and nationalism, and irrational fear to the hard right (or fear of their own incompetence to manage a temporal crisis situation) which didn't allow them to fight and they were completely outplayed because their naive position.
They never informed their electorate of the options and didn't play their weak hand at all, just gave up from the start. Instead of being upfront they sold to their electore an irreal option: that they could kick the can further in the eurozone and avoid austerity. Tsipras is worse than Obama, he has delivered a defeating blow to whatever there was remaining of an European left.
Useless and hopeless, and we shouldn't give them more attention that they do not deserve (neither the Greek politicians or their people) if we want to 'fix' the situation and have any hope for the left to contend the neolibs. May be rough, but they had the opportunity to fight and gave up and lost, they prefer to be slaves to external powers, and they put themselves in that position during decades. They have ended having very few sympathizers on the left outside, and were already hated on the right. As Schauble said, "amateurs".
Varoufakis here to stay? More’s the pity. Speaking as someone who lives in the EU, he and his fellow Greeks are welcome to say in the EU, but as to the EZ they can bugger off and get themselves their own currency. I’m tired of them messing up the Euro.
Greeks were doing OK last time they issued their own currency, i.e. prior to 2000, so what’s the problem? Strikes me Greeks just want to stay in the EZ because it gives them something to whinge, whine and complain about.
I remember Greece borrowing in foreign currency prior to joining the euro Ralph. I think most of their government debt was in foreign currency Ralph. Greeks are not messing up the euro more than it is messed up already. Their governments have been incompetent, so is Syriza. In a way Greece is even positive, all major newspapers writing now that euro is flawed and showing incompetence on European level too. May be one step closer to ending this nightmare? I still don't see It happening any time soon. you are considered old fashion nationalist and being against European unity if you say that euro needs to be put to sleep.
There is no sign of the end of austerity anywhere. Podemos is talking about the need to reduce government debt and that they can do It while continuing with euro. The only ones I know that want to get rid of euro are the so called nationalists. Le Pen for example. French people generally don't see the euro as much of a problem, but they think something is wrong with politics. Middle class is really feeling the austerity measures, life is getting worse and worse for them. They are not particularly fond of Le Pen, anything that offers hope and there is none else.
... but as to the EZ they can bugger off and get themselves their own currency.
Ralph is right. Either they should shut the hell up, or they should get the hell out! And had they done the former, they would have had a better deal than the current one on offer. Greece: all bark, no teeth.
The only thing I would add is that I'm tired of Greeks messing up Greece. Yeah, yeah, I know that corruption, cronyism, even stupidity (lol), is endemic everywhere. But Greece is a small country, it can only take so much before the proverbial poop hits the fan. Sorry, only fools piss in the pot they drink from.
Re: Greeks just want to stay in the EZ because it gives them something to whinge, whine and complain about.
Very insightful. Profound insight. Completely plausible. No moronic generalization there! Voila l'intelligence du bon citoyen! What a crude and coarse lout!
It's sad that it has come to this, wish it were not so. But the Greeks trust foreigners and their institutions more than they trust their own. Pity. The Greek government had real alternatives to the austerity madness. Did nothing. Why?
P.S. What would the Cubans make of this SYRIZA government? Tsipras even has a kid named after Che ... lol
The Greek government had real alternatives to the austerity madness. Did nothing. Why?
I don't think they did. The US will not tolerate just now a breakup of the EU, which is NATO's enabler. Besides, it was never about "debt": it's about oligarchic and plutocratic control and the fact that bankers can screw up and insist that governments make their mistakes good: so in short it's about setting up situations for countries to fail and then for the 1% to come in and loot by "privatization." What could Tsipras do concretely? A Grexit would not mean a quick amelioration for the Greeks. Washington would not stand for them taking refuge with the BRICS. Like countries everywhere, the people are in the hands of venal and criminal politicians and the media, who are bought and paid for by the US. The only countries that stand up to the US are now Russia, and to a lesser extent Iran. If you try to be independent you get removed and/or bombed.
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All this articles appearing from him are self-justification of their incompetence and of Tsipras cowardice. In the end was their European dreams and nationalism, and irrational fear to the hard right (or fear of their own incompetence to manage a temporal crisis situation) which didn't allow them to fight and they were completely outplayed because their naive position.
They never informed their electorate of the options and didn't play their weak hand at all, just gave up from the start. Instead of being upfront they sold to their electore an irreal option: that they could kick the can further in the eurozone and avoid austerity. Tsipras is worse than Obama, he has delivered a defeating blow to whatever there was remaining of an European left.
Useless and hopeless, and we shouldn't give them more attention that they do not deserve (neither the Greek politicians or their people) if we want to 'fix' the situation and have any hope for the left to contend the neolibs. May be rough, but they had the opportunity to fight and gave up and lost, they prefer to be slaves to external powers, and they put themselves in that position during decades. They have ended having very few sympathizers on the left outside, and were already hated on the right. As Schauble said, "amateurs".
Too late for excuses now.
Varoufakis here to stay? More’s the pity. Speaking as someone who lives in the EU, he and his fellow Greeks are welcome to say in the EU, but as to the EZ they can bugger off and get themselves their own currency. I’m tired of them messing up the Euro.
Greeks were doing OK last time they issued their own currency, i.e. prior to 2000, so what’s the problem? Strikes me Greeks just want to stay in the EZ because it gives them something to whinge, whine and complain about.
Dear Yanis Varoufakis,
Your 15 minutes of fame are up. You will find the exit from the stage on your left.
Dear Alexis Tsipras,
You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
I remember Greece borrowing in foreign currency prior to joining the euro Ralph. I think most of their government debt was in foreign currency Ralph.
Greeks are not messing up the euro more than it is messed up already. Their governments have been incompetent, so is Syriza. In a way Greece is even positive, all major newspapers writing now that euro is flawed and showing incompetence on European level too. May be one step closer to ending this nightmare? I still don't see It happening any time soon. you are considered old fashion nationalist and being against European unity if you say that euro needs to be put to sleep.
There is no sign of the end of austerity anywhere. Podemos is talking about the need to reduce government debt and that they can do It while continuing with euro. The only ones I know that want to get rid of euro are the so called nationalists. Le Pen for example. French people generally don't see the euro as much of a problem, but they think something is wrong with politics. Middle class is really feeling the austerity measures, life is getting worse and worse for them. They are not particularly fond of Le Pen, anything that offers hope and there is none else.
Varoufakis here to stay?
MP in Greece? It's a great gig if you can get it.
... but as to the EZ they can bugger off and get themselves their own currency.
Ralph is right. Either they should shut the hell up, or they should get the hell out! And had they done the former, they would have had a better deal than the current one on offer. Greece: all bark, no teeth.
The only thing I would add is that I'm tired of Greeks messing up Greece. Yeah, yeah, I know that corruption, cronyism, even stupidity (lol), is endemic everywhere. But Greece is a small country, it can only take so much before the proverbial poop hits the fan. Sorry, only fools piss in the pot they drink from.
Re: Greeks just want to stay in the EZ because it gives them something to whinge, whine and complain about.
Very insightful. Profound insight. Completely plausible. No moronic generalization there! Voila l'intelligence du bon citoyen! What a crude and coarse lout!
No moronic generalization there!
It's sad that it has come to this, wish it were not so. But the Greeks trust foreigners and their institutions more than they trust their own. Pity. The Greek government had real alternatives to the austerity madness. Did nothing. Why?
P.S. What would the Cubans make of this SYRIZA government? Tsipras even has a kid named after Che ... lol
The Greek government had real alternatives to the austerity madness. Did nothing. Why?
I don't think they did. The US will not tolerate just now a breakup of the EU, which is NATO's enabler. Besides, it was never about "debt": it's about oligarchic and plutocratic control and the fact that bankers can screw up and insist that governments make their mistakes good: so in short it's about setting up situations for countries to fail and then for the 1% to come in and loot by "privatization." What could Tsipras do concretely? A Grexit would not mean a quick amelioration for the Greeks. Washington would not stand for them taking refuge with the BRICS. Like countries everywhere, the people are in the hands of venal and criminal politicians and the media, who are bought and paid for by the US. The only countries that stand up to the US are now Russia, and to a lesser extent Iran. If you try to be independent you get removed and/or bombed.
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