Wednesday, June 13, 2018

Caitlin Johnson - Centrists Are Very Concerned That Donald Fucking Trump Isn’t Hawkish Enough

Yep, 'centrists' are really just extreme right wing hawks who don't hold traditional conservative values. What gets me is how they could be considered left. Charles Ortel is always referring to Hilary and her Democrats friends as the left.  KV
Today American centrists (who only get to call themselves that because plutocratic media control has made Orwellian neoliberal neoconservatism the dominant ideology in the US) are deeply, profoundly concerned that Donald fucking Trump is insufficiently hawkish.
This would be the same Donald Trump whose administration just facilitated the bombing of Yemen’s new cholera treatment center. The same Donald Trump who has increased US troops in Afghanistan, Somalia and Syria. The same Donald Trump who is openly pursuing regime change in Iran. The same Donald Trump whose administration committed war crimes in Raqqa. The same Donald Trump who has made many dangerous cold war escalations against Russia. The same Donald Trump whose administration has voiced a goal of regime change in Damascus and the intention of remaining in Syria indefinitely. The same Donald Trump whose air strikes are killing far more civilians than the drone king Obama’s did.
Centrist pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle are saying that this very man is being too soft and cuddly toward North Korea. These would be the same centrist pundits and politicians who loudly cheered both of the times this administration bombed the Syrian government, effectively sending the message that the only way this narcissistic president can win praise by the manufacturers of the mainstream narrative is by rejecting peace and embracing war. Thanks guys.

17 comments:

lastgreek said...

Oh boy. Trump just can't catch a break:

Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen likely to cooperate as his attorneys leave case, sources say -- by George Stephanopoulos

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story

Sing, sing a song
Sing out loud
Sing out strong
Sing of good things not bad
Sing of happy not sad


*snicker*

PS: And welcome back, K :)

Kaivey said...

Thank you, Lastgreek.

Konrad said...

Anyone who does not promote and celebrate peace, in whatever form, is an evil dwarf.

Matt Franko said...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle

Matt Franko said...

“plutocratic media control has made Orwellian neoliberal neoconservatism the dominant ideology in the US) are deeply, profoundly concerned that Donald fucking Trump is insufficiently hawkish.“

How can neocons be the dominant ideology when Trump got elected running against the neocons????

Tom Hickey said...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle

The law of the excluded middle is the basis of categorical logic.

There is also a fallacy of the excluded middle that is the basis of dialectical logic.

A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, false binary, black-and-white thinking, bifurcation, denying a conjunct, the either–or fallacy, fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, fallacy of the excluded middle, the fallacy of false choice, or the fallacy of the false alternative) is a type of informal fallacy that involves a situation in which only limited alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option. The opposite of this fallacy is argument to moderation.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/False_dilemma.html

Tom Hickey said...

How can neocons be the dominant ideology when Trump got elected running against the neocons????

Because he appointed them to positions of power, and is himself a neocon in that he regard Israel as not only the 51st state bu the arbiter of US policy?

A lot of folks that voted for DJT don't like this or the fact that he also pointed other swamp critters.

lastgreek said...


Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!

You heard the man -- sleep well tonight!

Antarctica Is Melting Three Times as Fast as a Decade Ago

The continent’s rate of ice loss is speeding up, which is contributing even more to rising sea levels.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/climate/antarctica-ice-melting-faster.html

jrbarch said...

How can neocons be the dominant ideology when Trump got elected running against the neocons????

Feint! Also ideologies are just a wave in the mind-stuff. It's people who are dominant (or not). Hint - Alexander the Great said it wasn't worth it ...

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”

“Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”


― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Kaivey said...

l always wanted to live by the seaside but I think I better not now, except my house is at a bottom of a valley below sea level. Hmmm, I might be wise to sell up, I think.

Matt Franko said...

“Because he appointed them to positions of power, and is himself a neocon in that he regard Israel as not only the 51st state bu the arbiter of US policy?”

He’s just being dialectical no?

Noah Way said...

How can neocons be the dominant ideology when Trump got elected running against the neocons????

Because pretty much the entire system is neocon - congress, intelligence, pentagon, energy, etc. Trump is not driving the bus, but he keeps grabbing the wheel and giving them all fits (e.g. North Korea). Elections are irrelevent, look at what BO said vs what BO did.

Tom Hickey said...

He’s just being dialectical no?

Yes, on one hand. Diffuse the opposition by appearing to agree with it. Very smart move.

On the other hand, not to end up like JFK and RFK. (Not saying that the deep state did it, only that there is ample reason to take precautions). Also very smart.

Machiavelli, The Prince (Project Gutenberg English version):

And
weighing well the reasons for this in those examples which can be
taken from ancient and modern affairs, we shall find that it is easier
for the prince to make friends of those men who were contented under
the former government, and are therefore his enemies, than of those
who, being discontented with it, were favourable to him and encouraged
him to seize it.

Matt Franko said...

Thanks Tom ... starting to try to figure out how the other side ((dialectics) live here...

Tom Hickey said...

Think of categorical thinking as analytic thinking and dialectical thinking as synthetic thinking. Analysis takes apart and synthesis unites into a whole. Both are required for holistic thinking.

This is owing to the limitation of descriptive language, which is based on model construction and no model is capable of capturing the whole in all possible detail. So different models are needed to complement each other, each with its own scope and scale.

Non-descriptive "language" is richer than descriptive language but fuzzier. Ordinary language is looser than technical language, the humanities looser than science, and the arts are the loosest of all. The arts can capture much more of the whole but not completely.

So-called mystical experience is more comprehensive than ordinary thinking but it is not accessible to ordinary consciousness since it is a different level of cognition and affect.

Psychoanalysis, clinical psych and psychotherapy aim at accessing information that is not ordinarily available to the conscious mind, too. Hypnosis and other subliminal techniques are also based on this, including persuasion and propaganda that work on the subconscious.

Matt Franko said...

“Hypnosis and other subliminal techniques ”

Dont know if you know this but Scott Adams says he is a trained hypnotist...

Tom Hickey said...

Yes, Scott Adams understand this very well and explains it well, too.