Monday, December 19, 2016

Richard Spencer — The Purpose And Meaning Of The Alt-Right Movement

What is great about the alt-right? Two things.
1)The conscious that we are the new beginning, that we are the starting over. The whole 20th century conservatism is failed and thrown out of the window.
2) We have this rout in our identity. We’re not going to start from a place of global liberalism, or the cold war. We’re going to start from a place of European identity.
I think the journey for alt right for next decades is going to be fascinating. We are going to have alot of comming around with similar movements in Russia and Europe or elsewhere.
Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978) is an American white nationalist, known for promoting white supremacist views.[2][3][4] He is president of the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist think-tank, and Washington Summit Publishers, an independent publishing firm. Spencer has stated that he rejects the description of white supremacist, and describes himself as an identitarian.[5][6] He advocates for a white homeland for a "dispossessed white race" and calls for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of European culture.

Spencer and others have said that he created the term "alt-right",[7] a term he considers a movement about white identity.[8][9][10] — Wikipediai/Richard_B._Spencer

22 comments:

MRW said...

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MRW said...

"We are going to have alot of comming around with similar movements in Russia and Europe or elsewhere."

Now don't go accusing me of being too verbal, Tom. lol

Bob said...

Some want to build a white homeland, some want to build ovens.

Matt Franko said...

"In the flesh there dwells no good thing" Rom 7:18 (rote methodology)

Ryan Harris said...

I think the Alt-Right is mistaken about having a dispossessed White race. Here is a map of immigration patterns of the world. Europe, Australia, Canada, US, Russia and other "white" countries have higher levels of immigration than China, Japan, South East Asia, Africa and South America, but they aren't as high as middle eastern countries. China has almost no immigrants, the entire country of 1.35 bln has fewer immigrants than a single large US city. I doubt their harsh immigration system is the cause of their economic success though, politically, undoubtedly a homogeneous society is going to be easier to lead.

Seve141 said...

"Some want to build a white homeland, some want to build ovens."


Ovens ... ?

Is Typhus a problem ?

Tom Hickey said...

There's a big difference between ethno-naitonlists and ethnographic-supremacists.

Being an ethno-naitonalist doesn't imply being an ethno-supremacists.

Critics conflate them but they are different categories.

There are a whole lo of ethnographic-nationalists and a lot fewer ethno-supremacists.

Liberals tend to conflate these categories, and many ethno-nationalists feel that it is an unfair attack on a cultural position that many people espouse at least implicitly.

Some ethno-nationalists held that it Is not contradictory to be both ethno-naitonalist and also liberal. They view those seeing a contraction as hyper-liberal globalists.

This is an emerging political debate and I think we are going to be hearing a lot more about it in the near future.

It's Steve Bannon's position as I understand him, and probably DJT's too, since he seems to have supported Bannon on it.

Tom Hickey said...

Correction: ethnographic-supremacists should be ethno-supremacists.

Magpie said...

Being an ethno[graphic]-naitonalist doesn't imply being an ethno-supremacists.
Critics conflate them but they are different categories.


I'm not trying to be the contrarian, nor am I claiming any expertise on the matter. I'm just a foreigner curious and interested.

So, this is an honest question: beyond abstractions like what people may feel like an "unfair attack on a cultural position", what's the concrete, everyday, tangible difference between being an ethno[graphic]-nationalist and an ethno-supremacist?

Matt Franko said...

Ethno supremcists want to rule or dominate over the other ethnic groups... ethno nationalists do not...

Although Spencer has said he does not like the term "white nationalist"...

Ethno nationalists (alt right) position is "we don't need you and we don't want you" to the other ethnicities...

10:30 here:

https://youtu.be/27RXiA0qkrM

"White people could have figured out another way to pick cotton...." etc...

Ignacio said...

@Matt
"In the flesh there dwells no good thing" Rom 7:18 (rote methodology)

Can you elaborate on what that means in this context? I'm not a good rote learner sorry...

Matt Franko said...

Well if you can get this thru rote from Paul here then perhaps you can see that Spencer is looking in the wrong place...

Spencer imo is starting from a delineation of fleshly characteristics ie melanin content of the skin or some other human genetic delineation of "white" or "European" and then proceeding to develop a philosophy or political philosophy from that starting point...

Paul also said (again via rote) "Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition" Col 2:8

So he is 1 starting with some type of fleshly delineation and 2 attempting to develop a human philosophy based on that starting point so he's really headed off the rails imo or at least going nowhere good...

If you can just take in these rote lessons from Paul (dont add to it.. dont "reason"...) you can know that he wont really end up getting us (mankind) anywhere... at least from a non-material standpoint....

I suppose it could short term improve things materially but maybe not even that I am picking up some vestigial gold buggery about these alt-right people too...

Ignacio said...

Gottcha, thanks!

Yeah is all deranged rationalization>; ie. getting causality wrong. Is like protestant morality that drives you to gold-buggery and fallacy of composition.

The claim does not even make sense materially, as 'white people' have expanded the most outside of their natural (???) borders. Sounds a bit hypocritical to say the least, although I understand the problem of identity and cultural collision, but basing it on the color of the skin is... deranged (ie. is not racial, is cultural, two very different things IMO).

Ryan Harris said...

A nationalist identity isn't skin color, but what is it?
The distinctive quality is maintained by political lines and borders which should be a clue.

Ignacio said...

Conforming to cultural normative rules, language, behavior? It's also reflexive: one culture can be more accommodative of immigration than other, and that forms part of their own national identity.

But it changes with economic environment too, almost no one (certainly the majority) will complain about immigration if their personal situation is improving or stable-good (contrary to stable-bad). A very good recent example is Brexit: suburban Lodon vs. rest of the country, who was more adamant of open borders and immigration vs. who wasn't? Ie. USA may have been traditionally more pro-immigration but it changes if things turn bad for the natives (then the 'nationalist identity' turns inward).

Alt-right would stay being a minority as long as things are 'good for the majority', now they feel empowered because things have been 'stable-bad' (or worst case, 'getting worse') for an important cohort of the population.


TL;DR: the tolerance towards immigrants depends both on the normative cultural rules but also on the economic conditions of the native population, and both are co-variant (although I would place the causality more on economic conditions driving tolerance).

Matt Franko said...

Well if you go back an look at that migration animation I posted down thread you can see that something is going on...

What is attracting all of these people? Has to be something...

"conforming to language" language could be part of it... I look at Greek as a good scientific language... somebody I saw once described English as "a market language" so maybe English is optimum for commerce... commerce/production is going to attract the acquirers & laborers (R. Batra) among us so maybe you have all of these acquirers and laborers stuck in an area where the language is not good for commerce/production so they just leave and go to the geographic area where they can thrive as acquirers and laborers which is the English speaking areas..

Wish I knew more about language...

Matt Franko said...

and then there are the USD zombies who dont even come here.... f-ed up...

Migration animation here:

https://blueshift.io/flow-map.html

??????????????

Matt Franko said...

" now they feel empowered because things have been 'stable-bad' (or worst case, 'getting worse') for an important cohort of the population."

Well if we in the west keep going austerity like of late he is going to have to order A LOT more cans of hair gel!

Matt Franko said...

Maybe buy P&G (Gillette) on pullbacks as a play on the hair gel?

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Magpie said...

@Matt Franko (December 20, 2016 at 6:18 AM)

Thanks.

Bob said...

@Seve141

Typhus may be one of several 'problems' requiring a final solution.