Saturday, January 21, 2017

Violent Protest


Have to agree with Spencer here.  Trump has to put the wood to these people or he will be perceived as weak.





30 comments:

Auburn Parks said...

That piece of shit deserved to get punched. Sometimes the only thing that sick racists understand is strength and violence, the reason for the civil war obviously.

Bob said...

Antifas routinely beat up fascists. That is what they do.

Tom Hickey said...

If this gets reduced to violence, the left is going to get its ass kicked n the US, literally.

Auburn Parks said...

I dont know Tom, lefties have won quite a few civil wars in the last half century. I kid as there arent that many lefties in the US. Still doesnt mean that sick racists dont deserve to get punched.

Matt Franko said...

Auburn the point wasn't that this one alt-right guy got punched there were a lot more assualts down there some inside the red zone.... blm stuff... 5 Dallas cops... etc....

Trump will lose a lot of his base if he lets these people continue to get away with this type of stuff with impunity.... it's a political calculation....

Well have to see as with everything else...

Malmo's Ghost said...

Tom's right. Left will get busted up and good:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/01/an-acceptable-tactic.html

Penguin pop said...

Trump doesn't fuck around. These people are going to learn the hard way you don't fuck with the counterpuncher.

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Tom Hickey said...

I am speaking of US lefties, except for "the crazies" that love to have it out with the riot police. Most lefties are non-violent. The crazies have no chance against the riot police. They invariably get crushed.

Magpie said...

I'll tell you something, Malmo.

As a 56 yo Commie, I don't condone gratuitous violence, both as a matter of principle and of self-interest. Although I'm rather fit for a bloke my age, I'm under no illusion: I'm well past my prime, my knees are all fucked up.

Having said that, you and the Righties must keep two things in mind:

(1) The Black Bloc are Anarchists, not Marxists.

(2) If someone punches me or mine, you better do like the Black Bloc kid did: run.

I believe in one eye for one eye.

Bob said...

Fascists are welcome to seek the protection of police, as they do in Europe.

Six said...

Fucking idiots, trying to label everyone.

andy blatchford said...

Great punch though, really hurt him.

andy blatchford said...

Bit of a snowflake though, took a bit of slap and whinges about it, considering the history of far right violence it wasn't very much. He needs to grow a pair not go crying to the President.

Matt Franko said...

Mag,

Trump's favorite Bible verse: 'Eye for an eye'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-favorite-bible-verse-221954

John said...

"Trump's favorite Bible verse: 'Eye for an eye'"

It may be the only one he knows, having no verses on how to use bankruptcy law to stiff your creditors or how to establish a fake university. No wonder the evangelical charlatans embraced Trump: a club of thieves, hypocrites and liars is naturally attracted to Trump.

Non-violence is the only way forward. Anything else plays right into Trump's hands of blaming anybody but himself, being a self-confessed "genius" and all, and a police which is armed easily mistaken for artillery units and special forces won't hesitate to unleash unwarranted violence.

It won't take long before Trump and his cabinet of hedge fund and private equity billionaires pass policies that will hurt the very people who voted for Trump. If the left can't organise the rightly discontented, the working class, trade unionist and social democratic left is finished. The "liberal" so-called left will continue to exist and push the new fashionable policies of gender fluidity, sex toys education to toddlers and what not, but the working class left will be finished. With the Reps now in control of all branches of government, we can safely predict dismal failure. Unfortunately, there's also a very good chance of dismal failure by the working class left. Game on...

Matt Franko said...

"so-called left will continue to exist and push the new fashionable policies of gender fluidity, sex toys education to toddlers and what not, "

That got out of hand so now it is swinging back to material systems... STEM stuff... over here at least it was all the Title7 and 9 initiatives for the last couple decades leading to this...

Imo we don't have trained people here now ... if Trump just throws munnie at this then we will see huge price instabilities...

Noah Way said...

STEM is a bad joke, an institutional excuse to buy more toys. Occupational education at the high school level should be required, not a symbol of stupidity. Most American kids are not college material, and their abilities continue to decline with the infrastructure and the cultural saturation of instant feedback digital devices.

Infrastructure doesn't require Lego robotics or computer programming or the other shit they pass off as 'education', it requires physical labor in the trades (and political connections, of course). Neither does manufacturing labor. This is just another misdirection, like anyone can be a millionaire or the streets are paved with gold.

John said...

Matt: "Imo we don't have trained people here now ... "

The US is the most scientifically and technologically advanced country on the planet! Perhaps the point you're making is that all this know-how is not oriented towards making the lives of Americans better. It nevertheless exists, but it requires the will to do something about it. The question of reorienting America is a difficult one: the elites are not going to reorient the country from themselves towards the people, and I really can't see Trump and his cabinet of billionaire corporate raiders embracing what amounts to social democracy and the essence of liberation theology this late in life.

If the US had free university education, for example, it would leave the rest of the world languishing somewhere in the late 20th century while it pushed ahead not into the 21st century but more into the 22nd century. That's how far ahead the US is, but its political class of zero-sum mercantilists and robber barons are have the mindset of pre-independence colonists. Washington's nest of vipers is a corrupt and menacing nuisance to the rest of America. Hence the backwardness in a country of unimaginable scientific and technological advance.

At best, if Trump tries his very best, he'll be able to tinker at the margins. The full-scale revolt that's necessary is ahead of us. Whether it'll be a progressive working class left that can reorient America or something that makes Trumpism and the Tea Party look lame is up for grabs. Given the uselessness of the working class left, I suspect it'll be the latter. Even when in control of all branches of government, the right can always blame the sex toys left and the postmodernist critical theorists in the media for corrupting the minds of the young and preventing the love of Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand to enter their hearts.

John said...

Noah,

STEM is the future of mankind, that much is true and we can't deny that: the advances being made are mind-boggling. I always advise people to pick up a copy of Science or Nature or Scientific American and try to get their heads around what is now within the grasp of mankind. A lot of manual work will be done by machines, and there's no getting around that. The question is whether the advances of tomorrow will be available for all or be controlled by a small elite. Free education, free health care and a job guarantee gets around a lot of these issues. There is no reason why people should have to do hard labour when a machine can do the job. Isn't that a good thing? The question, as has always been the case, is who controls the means of production and who benefits?

Tom Hickey said...

More likely the developed countries will peak and decline, while emerging countries under pressure to succeed will take over the leadership.

It's really difficult to turn a declining civilization around. The West started rising about 600 years ago if we take 1492 as the starting point. The other great civilizations had crested by then, while Europe was just emerging from the Dark Ages that had been occupied with civilizing the barbarian tribes and the Renaissance was replacing the Middle Ages. A key point was the rise of modern banking in Italy, in particular Florence, Genoa and Venice. Financial capital funded the development of technology in the West that brought rising living standards and generated the need for a more educated work force that spurred general education. Now the West is living on the fumes as growth seems to have peaked.

John said...

Tom, a lot of what you say is true, but let me ask you this. What is to stop the US surging ahead? It is way out ahead in aerospace, information technology, biotechnology and genetic engineering, etc. It seems to me that the only reason the US is going down a dead end street is the control of Washington by fraudsters and headbangers. Whoever controls knowledge will control the century ahead. That's one of the reasons behind the intellectual property trade deals which are cronyism writ large, but that doesn't deflect from the fact that many of the developing countries are very far behind the leading industrial countries, the US in particular. It may become a multipolar world, in the sense that the Western imperial nations will not be able to simply assert their will on other rising powers, but the technological divide, which is what may be the key to this century and beyond, is not really in dispute. As ever, empires crumble from the inside. Washington does not wish to overturn this trend of history, and is doing everything it can to corrupt, divide and eventually destroy the republic.

Matt Franko said...

We have to figure out what to do with the nonmaterialists..

Maybe a JG we can pay people to just go all around all the time believing 'all lives matter'...

Tom Hickey said...

What is to stop the US surging ahead?

Cultural malaise, on one hand, and psychopathic leadership.

I don't see much of an indication that this is changing.

Yes, people are protesting on the left and right but the leaders are hardly impressive and the solutions naïve in my estimation.

According to Strauss & Howe's generational theory, the US is ripe for a Fourth Spiritual Awakening. That's what it will take. I am not ruling it out, but I don't see it on the horizon at this point.

I am still holding firm to my prediction of this happening in the Twenties, but it's not yet clear what form or path it will take. It's still emergent if it going to happen and be effective in changing the mindset and direction.

So while I am pessimistic based on what I see, I optimistic based on the resilience of the human spirit, which is always able to regenerate itself.

Tom Hickey said...

We have to figure out what to do with the nonmaterialists..

Sounds like a division of the world into technocrats and the rest.

That's the plan of the neoliberal globalists in the West, and the way that the CCP is organized, too.

It also the fundamental problem affecting capitalism, where the technocrats are the ownership class and their minions, and the rest are baggage only good for buying what capital produces and serving as cannon fodder.

It was fundamental to feudalism, too, where the warriors ruled rather than technocrats. It wasn't a problem though since the rest had no political voice.

It is a problem in liberal democracy, through, as we are seeing.

Matt Franko said...

Tom it seems to trickle down from all the material activities down into the non-material realm... this is the famous "trickle down!"....

More recently this normal order was upset by granting student loans in yuge amounts to the non-material people to study non-material stuff ... but now the loans are coming due and there are no jobs in any of that.... so that debt fueled process has come way down...

Looks like Trump and May are going to swing it back towards heavy increases in STEM so it is going to have to go back to trickle down for the non-STEM people again...

I'm thinking about starting the alt-MMT movement where we are advocating for a federal funded JG where we would just pay people to go around all day around the place thinking 'female lives matter!" and "black lives matter!" and "gender queer lives matter!" for something to do... meanwhile we in the material cohort will take care of the material systems as long as we end up making substantially more than the JG wage....

Matt Franko said...

"Sounds like a division of the world into technocrats and the rest."

Its division based on qualifications.... if the technocrats were all qualified it wouldnt be a problem... it would be divided based on talent and training.... technocrats just want the material systems to work the best they can manage...

What are you saying put a bunch of unqualified Title 7 and 9 people, and cronies, and nepotism people into positions that require qualifications? That is how we got to where we are today in the first place...

I dont see a problem with getting people into the positions that they are good at...

Tom Hickey said...

I don't see the answer as expanding STEM training. There are plenty of STEM people unemployed and underemployed, too. It's not a panacea.

I also think that STEM needs to be made more universal and the teaching methods need to be greatly improved. Too much rote, not that a certain amount of rote isn't important.

For example there is move to end algebra as a high school requirement. That's just nutty. It's a failure of math ed rather than either lack of competence of most students or lack of need in life.

Equally crazy is reducing or eliminating the teaching of the arts generally.

In addition to acquiring information, genuine education is about creative and critical thinking, developing sensibility, increasing skills, and learning the basics of everything that will be needed to live a full life, understood as progressively unfolding one's full potential as a human being and as an individual.

"What you didn't lean in school and should have" is the title of a book is on my back burner.

Tom Hickey said...

I dont see a problem with getting people into the positions that they are good at...

Selection is the chief problem and no one has yet found a solution because the current procedure is based on networks and politics. It's often the less talented and even the morons that present well that get selected and promoted.

Even in creative fields. Take Edison and Tesla. I was just asking an engineer friend who also has an MBA and has been involved in both engineering and management why he though that Edison made it big and Tesla didn't. He said that it wasn't because Edison was more brilliant or more creative than Tesla but because he was more able at networking and politicking in the commercial world. Bucky Fuller is another instance. Brilliant with many inventions to his credit but ever disappointed in not being able to commercialize them.

Noah Way said...

@John

Every technological advancement is a double-edged sword. They may bring benefits but they always bring detriments. Especially when tech is in service of 'growth' (profit) instead of sustainability and quality of life. A lot of tech doesn't require smarts - it requires dumb labor to do the things that can't easily be automated.

For example, machinists have largely been obsoleted by CNC, and the new job description is machine operator, who loads a blank, closes the door and presses the start button. The new 'machinist' is a CAD draftsman who typically doesn't know squat about metalworking. A real machinist can maintain and repair his own equipment, and make specialized tooling to accomplish otherwise impossible tasks easily.

The knowledge built on experience is being lost. Man is a tool user, our hands educate our brains in reality. Automation does far more than unemploy, it makes people stupid. Instead we should be actively engaged in making our own sustainable existence with appropriate tech for appropriate purposes.