Most of the 9/11 films are crazy put together by tea partier's and libertarians. But this one was made by Tony Rooke who became famous, or infamous, when he refused to pay his BBC license because he said that the corporation was spreading propaganda about 9/11. The BBC took him to court but he won the case where the judge agreed with him. Now he's back with this terrific film. I don't know much about him but he is a brave guy.
Incontrovertible - New 9/11 Documentary by Tony Rooke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw
British film maker Tony Rooke's 'INCONTROVERTIBLE' is the first crowd-funded
project to feature original interviews with police officers, firefighters, and
politicians, who ALL voice their grave concerns over the so called official
version of events of 14 years ago. Never before have we seen police officers,
judges, and even presidential candidates speak so candidly about their doubts
and scepticism surrounding the official narrative of 9/11.
'INCONTROVERTIBLE’ is a no-nonsense rebuttal to British Prime Minister
David Cameron's ridiculous announcement at the United Nations recently that
those who doubt the official 9/11 narrative should be viewed as 'extremists'.
Far from it, these are men and women of law enforcement, fire-fighting, military
service, and years of loyalty to their Country.'
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Lol.
I 2nd that lol. These are the kinds of crazy conspiracy theories that really damage the left-wing cause.
Ok, I can't believe I'm spending my time answering this but we shouldn't be allowing this sort of crap to propagate. Evidence that the media made a mistake by not properly investigating a statement they were given by a respectable news agency (Reuters) on a day of absolute chaos is not evidence of a massive conspiracy. This is the statement from Reuters that was picked up from a local news story. Were Reuters involved in this grand conspiracy too?
"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."
This was likely a misunderstanding because many firefighters and police on the scene feared that WTC7 was going to collapse due to the extent of the fires on one side of the building. See link below. The fact that this was incorrectly reporting in the local news that it already had collapsed is hardly surprising. It was unfortunate that it did collapse 20 minutes later, causing people to make up conspiracy theories like this.
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
Jesus wept what a crackpot, we don't have him yet on rationalwiki...Needs doing.
From Wikipedia:
Operation Northwoods was a proposed operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
More to come later.
this is just more of the focusing on fantasy conspiracy theories instead of the manifest incompetence...
Bush to intelligence professionals: "ok you've covered your ass..." >> incompetence...
More conspiracies to be found on Wikipedia, no less.
The Plutonium Files: America's Secret Medical Experiments in the Cold War is a 1999 book by Eileen Welsome. It is a history of United States government-engineered radiation experiments on unwitting Americans, based on the Pulitzer Prize–winning series Welsome wrote for The Albuquerque Tribune.[1][2]
The experiments began in 1945, when Manhattan Project scientists were preparing to detonate the first atomic bomb. Radiation was known to be dangerous and the experiments were designed to ascertain the detailed effect of radiation on human health. Most of the subjects, Welsome says, were poor, powerless, and sick.[3]
In Nashville, pregnant women were given radioactive mixtures. In Cincinnati, some 200 patients were irradiated over a period of 15 years. In Chicago, 102 people received injections of strontium and caesium solutions. In Massachusetts, 57 developmentally disabled children were fed oatmeal laced with radioactive tracers in an experiment sponsored by MIT and the Quaker Oats Company. In none of these cases were the subjects informed about the nature of the procedures, and thus could not have provided informed consent.[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plutonium_Files
Here's a video on it. Now I noticed how in the video the narrator kept blaming the government which would get the libertarians going, so I wrote to the blog where I found the video and said it was the ruling class that did this, and that the government is controlled by ruling class. A truly democratic government would never allow this, I told then. But why do the ruling class want to get rid of the government when they control it?
More on this in another post.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XmQfies1Ziw&time_continue=167&ebc=ANyPxKqwV-b1UTE6LjR1WVbyxR7vD2vj7iAeYGZ3-LZ5ijinhn49Foc9RCUDVKZS1EvK1-vXpYxulINZTXTY_3P_HTVuVuF5uQ
""Informed consent" is a technical term first used in a medical malpractice United States court case in 1957"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent
Didnt even exist before 1957...
If murder wasnt illegal we'd be killing people all the time and not think anything of it...
Yes, there are some real conspiracies usually involving a small group of people in the CIA and usually related to overthrowing foreign governments, but what does that have to do with 9/11?
In fact, propping up silly conspiracy theories like the 9/11 inside job does damage to the credibility of conspiracies that are actually true. It allows people to dimiss all conspiracy theories as crazy. Please stop promoting this nonsense. As Matt said, it was incompetence, and yes, they did use it as an excuse to invade the middle east, but that's completely different from it being an inside job.
Over two thousand architects and engineers affirm that the World Trade Center towers came down via demolition. Some of them are professors at the most elite universities on the planet.
I ask open-minded and independent thinkers to watch this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw. Thank you.
The takeaway here is that the governments have denied so many black ops in the past that later came to light as true, they have lost credibility. I have been surprised by some revelations about matters I had not suspected could be true. So now I keep an open mind. But jumping to conclusions prematurely has to be guarded against too. Because confirmation bias, for one thing.
Deception* is at least as old as Sunzi's Art of War (Sonshi Group translation), so this is not anything new. It's is now back on the table with evidence seeming to establish that Western intelligence services were involved in black ops that targeted civilians in Western countries in false flag ops.
Now it is getting increasingly difficult to distinguish conspiracy theory from fact and satire from actual events. Not to mention that propaganda and psy ops are becoming prevalent and increasingly sophisticated.
One of the themes we explore here is sorting this out, since finance and economics are joined at the hip with national politics and geopolitics. Because oil and gas, for one thing, and control for another. Treating finance and economics as independent from society and world is myopic, just as is divorcing finance and economics and treating them as separate and independent of each other.
*[01.13] Warfare is the Way of deception.
Getting lumped in with Alex Jones is hard. I'm his antithesis. I staunchly believe in man made global warming and I fight the deniers with everything I've got. The chemtrails people are as mad as hatters. The vaccines thing seems crazy, and some say Elvis is still alive, and now people are saying that David Bowie didn't die either. Crikey! But when it comes to this I do keep an open mind, and there might be paedophile rings run by people within the aristocracy, and maybe in the intelligence too. The evidence is quite convincing.
Have you seen this BBC documentary, Operation Gladio? Shocking!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA
Originally aired on BBC2 in 1992, 'Operation Gladio' reveals 'Gladio', the secret state-sponsored terror network operating in Europe.
This BBC series is about a far-right secret army, operated by the CIA and MI6 through NATO, which killed hundreds of innocent Europeans and attempted to blame the deaths on Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades and other left wing groups. Known as 'stay-behinds' these armies were given access to military equipment which was supposed to be used for sabotage after a Soviet invasion. Instead it was used in massacres across mainland Europe as part of a CIA Strategy of Tension. Gladio killing sprees in Belgium and Italy were carried out for the purpose of frightening the national political classes into adopting U.S. policies.
Director Allan Frankovich
" The chemtrails people are as mad as hatters. "
Kevin I dont know about this and this is another example where the conspiracy theories drown out legitimate analysis...
iow the the "chemtrails" people think the "govt is spreading chemicals!" but it is rather condensation perhaps from the new gen of more efficient turbofans that is causing like "man-made clouds" to form on what would otherwise be sunny days... which I would have to think would have some type of effect...
Around here (mid Atlantic) the air traffic is so dense that certain times of year, by 10 or 11 am there are so many dispersed contrails going all over the place that it literally can turn what would probably been a clear sunny day into an overcast day... this probably has environmental effects which we should be aware of but instead the Alex Jones nutters are drowning out any intelligent analysis of the REAL situation with claims that the condensation trails are "govt chemicals!" of wtf....
Kevin here:
http://www.wtsp.com/story/weather/2015/12/21/airplane-contrails-changing-our-atmosphere/77687700/
They are not "spreading chemicals!".... its just water vapor...
They are not "spreading chemicals!"
This is not something I know much about, but from what I gather in passing at least some people believe it is about using technology to control weather. That is not implausible.
"some of them are professors at the most elite universities on the planet."
Is that supposed to be a supportive statement???? many of the same types are advocating austerity and warning about 'inflation!' too...
"many of the same types are advocating austerity and warning about 'inflation!' too..."
Matt, you've illuminated why it has to be argued rather than merely stated that Econ is a science. :)
I interviewed Richard Gage of AE911, who maintains that WTC 1, 2 and 7 were deliberate demolitions. The officially-acknowledged period of free fall during the collapse of WTC7 is still the best argument for an open mind on that specific issue. But I disagreed with his conclusions about the Twin Towers. A pair of precision inclined-angle strikes by two jetliners were quite sufficient to down the uniquely-constructed towers. http://bit.ly/RichardGageInterview http://911DejaVu.com
@Cooper,
"This was likely a misunderstanding because many firefighters and police on the scene feared that WTC7 was going to collapse due to the extent of the fires on one side of the building."
Oh come off it. There are actual youtubies of cops that afternoon shouting that they're going to bring the bldg down. One I downloaded years ago is shot from West Broadway, looking east on Vesey. There's paper swirling all over the street (we know paper doesn't burn in a fire /sarc.) The cops are telling the first responders to get out of the area--some of them were on the phone calling relatives--because the building was going to come down. IIRC this was easily two hours before it did. The fires coming out of the front of the building were de minimus. 12th floor. Another on the 23d, but not in the same line.
I lived two blocks away from this building for five years. I watched it going up as I walked to Merrill for work every day. It was built like a tank, a conventional tall building unlike WTC 1 & 2, which were built like the Empire State to withstand passenger jets flying into them, since the latter three are taller. (The Empire State's 'jet' was a much smaller plane than those contemplated for the main towers.)
Those were scattered office fires.
You ever heard of Cardington Lab and the structural fire engineering tests? "Between 1995 and 1997, British Steel's Swinden Technology Centre, co-sponsored by the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) with TNO (The Netherlands) and CTICM (France) as partners, carried out a fire research programme on a modern multi-storey composite steel framed structure built within the BRE large scale test facility at Cardington." http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/DataBase/TestData/default1.htm
The docs are located at the University of Manchester. You can download the studies and the results, with photos, at the link. They burned the hell out of an eight-story steel office structure(s?) they built for test purposes in a variety of tests for two years. Structural and civil engineers the world over rely upon these findings for fire safety engineering, and it's the main reason they snort at the NIST findings. The tests were done with and without fire-proofing on the beams. In one test, they kept the fire burning, or at least smoldering, for four days to see what would happen to the beams and the concrete floors. I don't remember all the details off the top of my head, but I did read the material in its entirety over 10 years ago.
I just found one of the docs I downloaded written in 2002 by structural engineer Colin Bailey, who alerted me to the Cardington Lab studies in the first place.
"Six fire tests were conducted between 1995 and 1996, which ranged from heating one beam, to heating 2/5 of the floor plate. In all the tests the underside of the composite floor and the supporting steel beams were left unprotected. The columns, situated within the fire compartment, were protected to ensure vertical stability. No structural collapse was observed in any of the tests, with the most severe test, in terms of temperature, being Test 6 (Figure 1) where the atmosphere temperature exceeded 1200°C and the steel temperature of the exposed beams reached a maximum of 1150°C."
http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/DataBase/References/CICOM%20Paper%20(Colin%20Bailey-one-stop-shop).pdf
1150°C is a helluva lot hotter than NIST claimed for the fire temp at any of the NYC structures. The Cardington steel beams didn't shoot out of the building horizontally. Nor did they vaporize from the top down in sight of burning office supplies and furniture.
@Fintan Dunne,
"A pair of precision inclined-angle strikes by two jetliners were quite sufficient to down the uniquely-constructed towers."
Nope. They were specifically designed to withstand jetliners flying into them, because of their height and location on the southern tip of Manhattan. Check it out. Specifically designed that way. And there was something about their fire code standards that exceeded what was required. I read about it, but forgot it.
Nonetheless, I was in school when the either WTC 1 or WTC 2 caught fire in 1975. Floors 6 thru 11 burned for hours into the night. I watched it from the New Jersey side. The entire floors were ablaze and the flames leapt out of the sides of the building and ripped up the sides of it in a brilliant yellow ring. You can find that story somewhere on the web, maybe NYT archives.
@Fintan Dunne,
And another concern was that the towers were in the direct flight path into Newark Airport when approaching from the E and NE.
Out of respect to those who died due to being trapped above the fire floors, let's get to the uncomfortable facts about the building's resistance to plane strikes. Yes - the twin towers could readily structurally withstand the physical impact of a jet. But what about the building or inhabitants ability to survive consequent fire?
Many firefighters are and were aware these towers were vertical death-traps. Putting in fully hardened, multiple fire escape routes would have eaten substantially into the rented area per floor. That's money. So Money got what it wanted. And the irony was that only a jet could fully expose the vulnerability of the tower's uniquely braced tube-in-tube design.
But not necessarily with a level flight approach strike on the tower. That might only set fires on a couple of floors. A properly angled strike would spread the fuel and debris across a handful of floors - and open up a multi-floor chasm to feed a fire-feeding air supply. To achieve such an optimum impact angle the second plane made two astonishingly precise course adjustments in the last five seconds of its flight. Most amateur pilots would have missed the towers altogether.
Was that a perfect strike with target guidance technology? When the Military Industrial Complex produces a cruise missile that can steer into a specific window of a building, that's a good question. http://bit.ly/HowTheyPulledOff911
@Fintan Dunne,
Excuse me for operating from memory. I don't pay much attention to the issue these days.
"But what about the building or inhabitants ability to survive consequent fire?"
Up until a few seconds before the south tower came down, at approx 9:59 AM, the firefighters on one of the floors where the plane hit were still communicating with Dispatch. They DID NOT say it was too hot to talk. Or that the temperature was unbearable. Instead, one of the firefighters, who had not received the message to evacuate because of poor comms, said that they were pushing upward to put out the small fires remaining.
These are in the Dispatch transcripts the NYT released two years after 911.
@Fintan Dunne,
"When the Military Industrial Complex produces a cruise missile that can steer into a specific window of a building, that's a good question."
The Russians can do it now. Hell, they've been able to do it since 1995. US has nothing like it. Those missiles can tango to their target. I'm in no mood to do a private library search--I have so much shit--but I think they are the S-300, 400, and 500 series.
Overview | IRREFUTABLE: Classified Free-Energy Technology Revealed To The World - By Adam Dwyer
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New documentary series featuring whistleblower Dr. Judy Wood, showing irrefutable and remarkably simple evidence of weaponized free-energy technology on 9/11.
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