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But what is the mystics are correct that experience can be expanded to the non-ordinary? How to find this out. Follow the prescriptions that they have set forth for doing so. That is the essence of the method of perennial wisdom, which sets froth a number of means since different means are suitable for different dispositions.
Alexander Chizevsky was likely the first to catalog a cyclical relationship between solar activity and cultural "upsets" or advancements. Outbursts of both creative or destructive excitement, depending on the socio-cultural conditions which had been building, appeared to facilitate artistic revolutions and bloody revolutions from tyranny alike.
Not sure he was the "first." I have known about this for some time although I can not recall references offhand.
If you listen to it the guy points out that Stalin shut that guy down because like you were saying the guy looking into these non-material issues didnt fit in with the Soviet style more purely materialistic Marxist views..
Not to defend the Soviet way of doing things, but it takes a lot of courage to float controversial ideas in liberal environments, too, if one values one's reputation anyway. There are a lot of things that people will admit privately but not publicly.
But what is the mystics are correct that experience can be expanded to the non-ordinary?
If? The mystics are on to something, the issue for me (and perhaps others) is having the interest to pursue it. I'm an observer, and an apathetic one at that. My "condition" makes it easier for me to have an open mind, yet at the same time, it's not sufficient to have an open mind. Inquiry seems to require some form of "yearning".
Doubt and faith may be suitable for those who yearn but have become closed-minded. True believers, skeptics and hard atheists fall into this category. It's sad because these folks possess the passion that I lack.
“If? The mystics are on to something, the issue for me (and perhaps others) is having the interest to pursue it. I'm an observer, and an apathetic one at that”. [Bob]
Exactly Bob. Mind looks at things as though from an armchair (different to the one I mentioned elsewhere): - it is a luxury to contemplate (leisure time, set aside from a busy life). The outcome can always be debated; and what does it matter – in the long run we are all dead. In the long run, even the sun and the moon and the stars will be no more. It is different for the heart.
Let us say a little more about mind. Mind can be a devotee; of business, art, religion, statesmanship, whatever. Am not saying there is anything wrong with that – just observing. Kabir said (paraphrasing): ‘Oh mind, you make me labour, cut out a huge monolith from the rock and carve it into a statue. Then you make me fall down in front and worship it’. There is not much difference between that and a NY skyscraper or the stock market. Mind can even be a humanitarian and serve; it can be a priest or an engineer. It certainly churns out economists! There is a difference between actions that emerge from the mind and ego, and those that emerge from the heart.
This is because the heart’s vision is singular; and what it wants has been programmed into it from the beginning.
So, mind cannot ‘walk the way of the heart’. The heart takes the steps, when it is ready, and because of that, all is well, within. The job of mind then, is to understand. Even when the world descends into utter fiasco on the outside. So the advice has always been ‘feed the good wolf’, and when the heart is ready, it will let you know. I have seen that at work many times over. Most people use their minds like a sledgehammer, trying to crack every nut that comes their way. With the heart, you have to feel. And the feeling expands into something mind could never have dreamed of, and never has, if you weigh up most of what is in the world’s libraries. Always the question is, after 10,20,30 ... 130 laps around the sun – what do you want? When that ‘yearning’ becomes your engine, then things are beginning to move around: - then the advice has been – ‘follow the heart’. Then certainty and uncertainty, swap seats. And apathy is washed right out the door.
In the conventional sense, apathy erodes passion, motivation and ambition. In the conventional sense, there is nothing for me to pursue. I have forced myself to strive in the past, and may do so in the future. I've failed.
To while away the days on a boat in the doldrums amidst a placid sea is to follow my heart.
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Doubting Thomas.
If you can't test it, or experience it, or stick your finger in it, then doubt and faith may suffice.
But what is the mystics are correct that experience can be expanded to the non-ordinary? How to find this out. Follow the prescriptions that they have set forth for doing so. That is the essence of the method of perennial wisdom, which sets froth a number of means since different means are suitable for different dispositions.
Tom,
Recent from the EU people:
https://youtu.be/s3qY5ewHAeo
"The Sun's Influence on Consciousness"
Alexander Chizevsky was likely the first to catalog a cyclical relationship between solar activity and cultural "upsets" or advancements. Outbursts of both creative or destructive excitement, depending on the socio-cultural conditions which had been building, appeared to facilitate artistic revolutions and bloody revolutions from tyranny alike.
Not sure he was the "first." I have known about this for some time although I can not recall references offhand.
If you listen to it the guy points out that Stalin shut that guy down because like you were saying the guy looking into these non-material issues didnt fit in with the Soviet style more purely materialistic Marxist views..
Not to defend the Soviet way of doing things, but it takes a lot of courage to float controversial ideas in liberal environments, too, if one values one's reputation anyway. There are a lot of things that people will admit privately but not publicly.
But what is the mystics are correct that experience can be expanded to the non-ordinary?
If?
The mystics are on to something, the issue for me (and perhaps others) is having the interest to pursue it. I'm an observer, and an apathetic one at that. My "condition" makes it easier for me to have an open mind, yet at the same time, it's not sufficient to have an open mind. Inquiry seems to require some form of "yearning".
Doubt and faith may be suitable for those who yearn but have become closed-minded. True believers, skeptics and hard atheists fall into this category. It's sad because these folks possess the passion that I lack.
@ Bob
"You can't push the river."
Everything in due course.
There is no creature which is not destined for the supreme goal, as there is no river which is not winding its way towards the sea.
Meher Baba, Listen Humanity, p. xvii
Am I The Great Basin?
“If?
The mystics are on to something, the issue for me (and perhaps others) is having the interest to pursue it. I'm an observer, and an apathetic one at that”. [Bob]
Exactly Bob. Mind looks at things as though from an armchair (different to the one I mentioned elsewhere): - it is a luxury to contemplate (leisure time, set aside from a busy life). The outcome can always be debated; and what does it matter – in the long run we are all dead. In the long run, even the sun and the moon and the stars will be no more. It is different for the heart.
Let us say a little more about mind. Mind can be a devotee; of business, art, religion, statesmanship, whatever. Am not saying there is anything wrong with that – just observing. Kabir said (paraphrasing): ‘Oh mind, you make me labour, cut out a huge monolith from the rock and carve it into a statue. Then you make me fall down in front and worship it’. There is not much difference between that and a NY skyscraper or the stock market. Mind can even be a humanitarian and serve; it can be a priest or an engineer. It certainly churns out economists! There is a difference between actions that emerge from the mind and ego, and those that emerge from the heart.
This is because the heart’s vision is singular; and what it wants has been programmed into it from the beginning.
So, mind cannot ‘walk the way of the heart’. The heart takes the steps, when it is ready, and because of that, all is well, within. The job of mind then, is to understand. Even when the world descends into utter fiasco on the outside. So the advice has always been ‘feed the good wolf’, and when the heart is ready, it will let you know. I have seen that at work many times over. Most people use their minds like a sledgehammer, trying to crack every nut that comes their way. With the heart, you have to feel. And the feeling expands into something mind could never have dreamed of, and never has, if you weigh up most of what is in the world’s libraries. Always the question is, after 10,20,30 ... 130 laps around the sun – what do you want? When that ‘yearning’ becomes your engine, then things are beginning to move around: - then the advice has been – ‘follow the heart’. Then certainty and uncertainty, swap seats. And apathy is washed right out the door.
In the conventional sense, apathy erodes passion, motivation and ambition. In the conventional sense, there is nothing for me to pursue. I have forced myself to strive in the past, and may do so in the future. I've failed.
To while away the days on a boat in the doldrums amidst a placid sea is to follow my heart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doldrums
I enjoyed this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf5TgVRGND4
Ha!
Have uploaded 'Grain of sand' for you (about 4m) on driveHQ.
https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID3739619536/Keyhfy3hhfbsgi0/Grain of sand.flv
You are alive! There is no greater success.
Interest in the speaker (?): timelesstoday.com
The message is timeless, and still here today.
Cheers Bob.
Than you jrbarch :)
That is a perspective I'll have to work on if I'm to feel that way.
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