Sunday, December 26, 2021

How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?

Jimmy Dore's, Caitlin Jonestone', Max Blumenthal, and others, arguments against mandates is that vaccines don't slow transmission of Covid, so why force a 'medical procedure' on someone. They say people have rights, my body, my choice. 


A number of points: 

Scan the Internet and you will see that vaccines do slow transmission of the virus. 

No one is forcing any vaccines on anyone, and if people don't want to get a vaccine they can find another job. 

The people who say that mandates are authoritarian, fail to consider that the rest of us have rights too, and that we don't want the unvaccinated near our children, our old folk, the vulnerable, or even ourselves at this present time. This is a fair right, especially when we believe that the unvaccinated can spread Covid. 

So, those that refuse to get a vaccine get it wrong on all counts and fail to understand that other people with different POV have rights too. 

What is important to realise, de Gier says, is that the full effect of vaccines on reducing transmission is even higher than 63 per cent, because most vaccinated people don’t become infected in the first place.

De Gier and her team used data from the Netherlands’ contact tracing system to work out the so-called secondary attack rate – the proportion of contacts infected by positive cases. They then worked out how much this was reduced by vaccination, adjusting for factors such as age.

De Gier says they cannot calculate the full reduction in transmission due to vaccination, because they don’t know exactly how much vaccination reduces the risk of infection. But even assuming vaccination only halves the risk of infection, this would still imply that vaccines reduce transmission by more than 80 per cent overall.

Others have worked out the full effect. Earlier this year, Ottavia Prunas at Yale University applied two different models to data from Israel, where the Pfizer vaccine was used. Her team’s conclusion was that the overall vaccine effectiveness against transmission was 89 per cent.

 more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/#ixzz7GAkXkcVJ

10 comments:

Andrew Anderson said...
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Andrew Anderson said...

De Gier says they cannot calculate the full reduction in transmission due to vaccination, because they don’t know exactly how much vaccination reduces the risk of infection. But even assuming vaccination only halves the risk of infection,...

What reason is there to assume a "vaccine" targeting the humoral immune system, IgG, has ANY protective influence on the mucosal system (protected by IgA), where the virus enters, multiplies and spreads?

And that's why the "vaccinated" can catch and spread the virus as easily as the unvaccinated except for those who've recovered from a previous infection since they are likely to have at least mucosal immunity.

Matt Franko said...

The real bad outcome of the anti vaxers are that they are disrespecting Trump who gave advanced/accelerated approval to the vaccines/boosters….

NeilW said...

"you will see that vaccines do slow transmission of the virus. "

There is no evidence that a vaccinated person infected and a non-vaccinated person infected shed at any different rate. None. Nada.

The Internet isn't a source of information on this. Hard data from actual scientific study is, and not one that has been interpreted by 'true believers'.

Moreover if you put barriers in the way of a virus what it will do is evolve. It will evolve to one that transmits more particles, more quickly using the upper respiratory tract, and it will become more infectious by reducing the number of exposed virons required to become infected.

Or Omicron as it is known.

The vaccines are first generation and not very good. Their sole purpose when they were designed and the source of any effect they may have is to reduce the severity of the illness in an individual so that they are far less likely to become seriously ill and die. And that's it. There are not sterilising vaccines. Never have been and never will be.

It's way past time that Lefty clowns who like telling people what to do, and particularly so called medical people, who might know how an infected body works but have no clue about fluid dynamics, airflow dynamics and in particular system dynamics involving the movement and behaviour of human beings, shut up and deferred to those of us with a better understanding of how the world works.

The data is in. It isn't working. All cause mortality remains elevated and transmission is still occurring.

What that means, in the words of the great Richard Feynman: "It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong."

You have no right to tell anybody else what to do. If you are still scared of what is mostly a very bad case of the flu, then it is for you to wear the Hazmat suit and the FFP3 mask. Not for everybody else to get out of your way because you think you are more important than they are.

Matt Franko said...

“ "It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong."

That’s not what is trained under Liberal Art methodology… they train the discussion or dialogic methodology that doesn’t include testing…. . Fauci has a Liberal Art degree in Classics from Holy Cross so he is fine with the disagreements.. eventually the two sides (vax vs anti vax) will form a synthesis of their positions and they will call that the solution…

Matt Franko said...

“ All cause mortality remains elevated”

More covid deaths this year under Biden than Trump and Biden had Trumps vaccines…

Peter Pan said...

The real bad outcome of the anti vaxers are that they are disrespecting Trump who gave advanced/accelerated approval to the vaccines/boosters…

As long as Trump opposes vaccine mandates, and is vocal about it, he'll retain his base. But he's no longer the only horse in the Republican race.

Konrad said...

If vaccines actually worked, nobody would care who is vaccinated.

lastgreek said...

I like the comparison of vaccines to logarithmic functions. Just like logarithmic functions "search-and-destroy" exponential functions, so,too, vaccines (via antibodies)...

Pithy observation: Just like any time is a good time for coffee, so, too, any time is a good time to study math.

Pithy observation 2: You can't study physics without calculus. That's why Newton developed calculus in the first place.

Pithy observation 3: No distance formula via the Pythagorean Theorem, no Einstein and his famous theory.

lastgreek said...

Didn't you get the memo from the MAGA cult leader himself? Vaccines and boosters work!