Thursday, June 2, 2016

Yves Smith — Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary


Misses the most important reason not to vote for Hillary no matter what. She is a neocon hawk who will take the world to war.

The red lines and battle lines are being drawn and armaments moved into place. Intervention and provocation are the order of the day. 

In addition, the global situation is becoming increasing unstable socially, politically and economically even in the richest and most developed countries and regions.

Theses are extraordinary times in which it is insane to vote for a hawk like Hillary. We talking existential threat.

POLITICO
Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary
Yves Smith

14 comments:

dave said...

Clinton knows all this. That is why Bernie will get the VP nod. Honestly, the best thing Bernie could do right now for the Progressive movement would be turn down the VP, but he won't, because he's a politician too.

Bob said...

Pull that lever! Unleash the wrecking ball!

Tom Hickey said...

I'm more concerned about pushing that red button.

Bob said...

Do you mean the suitcase with the nuclear launch codes?

Tom Hickey said...

Yes.

Bob said...

Both Trump and Clinton have daughters. They wouldn't dare. Does that reassure you?

Tom Hickey said...

No.

I don't think that either Clinton nor Trump would intentionally start a nuclear war. They would either slouch into it or back into it.

NATO approaching Russia's red lines and the US Seventh Fleet approaching China's are slouching toward war.

Making foolish statements and commitments about Ukraine that will involve either losing face by backing down or going forward where angels fear to tread is backing into it, for example, since it involves Russia's red lines.

There is also the possibility of accident with behaving recklessly.

Bob said...

These are the same risks we've been living with since the atomic age began. I don't believe Putin would intentionally start a nuclear war either. No one believes they can win. So we're as safe as we'll ever be, mistakes and misunderstandings notwithstanding.

I still wouldn't vote for Hillary.

Tom Hickey said...

The Russians have already announced that the US pursues its objectives recklessly since it has never had to bear the brunt of war at home, while the European nations have and understand the cost.

Russia has declared its resolve not to let that happen again. If there is another way, the US will pay a heavy price in destruction of the homeland.

Bob said...

Europeans may understand the cost of war but their leaders are letting them down. Europe is key to disciplining US foreign policy in the region.

Tom Hickey said...

I think we may see some leadership changes in Europe in the not too distant future if things don't turn around there soon.

Salsabob said...

Oh pleeze, you knee knockers won't grow a spine until Tsar Putin is rebuilding the Berlin Wall. Clinton will carry out the same only-adult-in-the-room tactics as Obama, deftly keeping the NeoCons out of any decision making but checking Putin's tantrums of his increasingly irrelevant mafiocracy.

Tom Hickey said...

Somehow I am not encouraged by the result of US military action since Vietnam. It's been one overreach and subsequent fiasco after another. With a military policy and military like this who needs enemies. The US is capable of defeating itself.

MRW said...

Ditto on your comments, Tom. I’m a Trump over Hillary person. She is a double whammy. As Head of State and bolstered by the Constitution, she would be in charge of foreign policy. Her comment about Putin acting like Hitler was the height of fucking ignorance. Putin invaded nada. Crimea exercised its constitutional and legal right--per the 1992 Ukrainian Constitution written after the fall of the USSR--to determine its own future (the Ukraine or Russia via referendum in March 2014. After the vote to rejoin Russia, Putin and his Duma boys stayed up all night to discuss the acceptance, said yes, then Putin sent in Russian troops to secure their military bases there. (salsabob take note. You don’t have the facts.)

This idiot, like Obama and his national security infants, called that an invasion. Even though the first Reuters report accurately reported the Ukrainian Constitutional clause. The Ukraine wrote it. Russia didn’t.

Her second whammy would be putting Bill in charge of replicating his idea of a good economy. God help us all.