Friday, May 25, 2018

Ramesh Thakur — What Sank the Kim-Trump Summit?


Good summary with timeline.

Project Syndicate
What Sank the Kim-Trump Summit?
Ramesh Thakur, a former assistant secretary-general of the United Nations, is emeritus professor at the Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University, and co-convenor of the Asia-Pacific Leadership Network for Nuclear Non-Proliferation and Disarmament

22 comments:

Konrad said...

The corporate media outlets are joyous that Trump cancelled the summit (after all, peace does not sell “copy”). However the Trump cultists are not happy. They were hoping to crown Trump the Messiah, but then they got got Pence (the plastic mannequin) and Bolton (the walrus of death) vowing to destroy NK. (The “Libya model.”)

No, the Trumpistas are not happy. Therefore Trump is now telling them that the summit meeting might take place after all. Sort of. Maybe. Possibly. “We’ll see.”

The destruction of Libya was an unspeakable crime -- i.e. so awful that no one wants to talk about it, or even remember it. Therefore Pence and Bolton think, “What’s the problem?” For NK the problem is that they may be next.

Regarding the Project Syndicate article, we read this: “Both sides thought the other had agreed to meet because of weakness and had made major concessions.”

Concessions? NK offered to give up its nuke program. What “concessions” did the USA offer?

North and South Korea were pursuing unity with Chinese help. Japan was whining about this, and Russia was laughing about it. So Trump’s handlers agreed to a summit, hoping it would make the USA still relevant. The handlers even promised their puppet (Trump) the Nobel Peace Prize to stroke his vanity. But then Pence and Bolton screwed up everything. And so the USA takes another step toward irrelevancy.

The Project Syndicate article pretends that there was “confusion” and “misunderstandings.”

No.

The dying U.S. Empire has dementia. Its squabbling leaders bicker about what to do. Bomb Iran and North Korea! No, bomb Russia and Venezuela! Threaten Europe with punishment! No, threaten China!

I know…let’s consult our Israeli masters! They’ll tell us what to do.

GLH said...

Trump: " I won't talk because you said something band about Pence." Bullshit. What kind of negotiator is that? Oh, and if Obummer deserves the peace prize then every war monger does.

Matt Franko said...

4D chess takes longer to play.... dimensionality is nonlinear....

One of the first things you have to do when you go at a large opaque organization is to find out who the real decision makers are... so we just found out that NK is not as autocratic under Kim as most believed... this is only a first move...

Matt Franko said...

You guys are all biased anti-war and anti-LGBT/diversity.....

Everything was fine under the “Libya plan of 2003-2004” that Bolton referred to ... and everything was fine with Russia too... those were economic based plans...

Obama was then elected and changed the priorities to SJW-diversity and here we are....

Trump admin now trying to go back to the pre Obama type of dealings....

Tom Hickey said...

To his credit, Trump has known all along that he is playing poker with Xi.

This is not chiefly about NK, Russia, Syria, Iran, etc.Thy are pawns in the game, although Russia is either a knight or a bishop ‚ in terms of Russian politics it is both.

On the grand chessboard, It all comes down to the Sino-American rivalry that will decide the rest of this century. US strategist have known this for some time, too.

The US wants Ukraine to be put NATO on Russia's western border and it wants NK to put SEATO on China and Russia's eastern border.

The US wants Afghanistan, Iran and Central Asia to be on the underbelly not Russia and China.

This is all about going in for the kill.

These are deep red lines for China and Russia, obviously.

Tom Hickey said...

Everything was fine under the “Libya plan of 2003-2004” that Bolton referred to ... and everything was fine with Russia too... those were economic based plans...

Obama was then elected and changed the priorities to SJW-diversity and here we are....


Simplistic "analysis" that is based ideologically.

Tom Hickey said...

"biased" instead of "based."

Matt Franko said...

So Tom you’re saying Obama didn’t move us to the furthest point we’ve ever been diversity wise? C’mon

If you are a diversity advocate you could never expect better than what obama achieved under his administration... we made progress there by leaps and bounds under Os 8 years...

Matt Franko said...

You’re pro Russia bias does not allow you to appreciate this as Putin’s Russia is anti-gay homophobes...

Matt Franko said...

Here is the Russia Insider guy Bausman on with the alt right people at Red Ice... watch at the end he goes off in gays says something like “keep all of your faggot stuff the hell out of here”! in a rant...

No way in hell relations with Russia are going to keep improving under obama with this type of attitude from the Russians... same thing with Libya... Daffy kadafys Libya would not liberalize this way so the obama people just killed his ass...

Matt Franko said...

https://youtu.be/LwuktnMpIsg

Tom Hickey said...

So Tom you’re saying Obama didn’t move us to the furthest point we’ve ever been diversity wise?

I am not saying that at all, although O was behind much of the base on this. But his views "evolved," as he put it.

What I am saying is that "diversity and "inclusiveness" was and continues to be a minor factor in the international arena.

SJW had little if anything to do with Libya, Syria, Ukraine or the pivot to Asia. That was the work of liberal integrationists lead by HRC and continued by people she put in place, like Victoria Nuland. Nuland's husband is arch-neocon and Republican Robert Kagan.

During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs.

Neither O or HRC went after Gaddafi because they were SJWs. Actually, they followed Sarkozy lead in this. Sarkozy turned in Gaddafi after taking money from him, for which he is now on trial for corruption.

She served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney


Wikipedia/Victoria Nuland

Matt Franko said...

Hillary: “we came we saw he died!”

He wouldn’t liberalize gender/racial/sexually so they just sicced a bunch of killers on him and took him out... same with Assad in Syria...

The issue with the obama people was never “neo liberal!” or wtf... it was diversity...

Matt Franko said...

Tom the alt right is rabid anti-gay... they call it “degeneracy”... they hate Milo and call him a moral degenerate... as Milo is gay...

jrbarch said...

For me, sexuality is all about reproduction of the animal body for obvious reasons.

Sexuality is a ‘fire’, energy in the physical body; and like any such energy (‘prana’) can function normally in accordance with the energy blueprint, be congested, redirected, misdirected, or be in under or over supply, all of which have different effects in the material cells – no matter the sexual orientation or polarisation. Simply put - fire is a good servant and bad master, applying to energies that enliven all of the physical systems and their organs. That should be the end of the matter, letting people mind their own.

Did you know that the human egg secretes chemicals which affect which spermatozoon has the privilege of fertilising the ovum. Nature handles sexuality far more sensibly than humans!

You cannot produce babies emotionally, nor can you mentally.

In the Ageless Wisdom, this energy when lifted to the throat centre fuels the creativity in man. Other higher energies condition this creativity further.

Tom Hickey said...

He wouldn’t liberalize gender/racial/sexually so they just sicced a bunch of killers on him and took him out... same with Assad in Syria...

Total nonsense. The US is a rogue state but that has little to no part in it. It's about control. And as always follow the money.

Tom Hickey said...

Tom the alt right is rabid anti-gay... they call it “degeneracy”... they hate Milo and call him a moral degenerate... as Milo is gay...

You are right about that, and that's a key subset of DJT's base. Same with the Christianists (not to be confused with Christians).

Konrad said...

Same sex marriage was legalized in Russia in 1996. Nineteen years before same sex marriage was legalized in the USA.

Gays and lesbians are allowed to serve openly in the Russian military, while transgender people are allowed to change their legal gender, provided they have sex reassignment surgery.

The USA calls Russia “homophobic” because the Russian government does not permit state funds to be used for “gay pride” parades, or for “gay pride” propaganda.

Meanwhile the militant feminists and #MeToo bloodsuckers have not managed to take over Russian society.

Since Russian society is not quite as insane as is U.S. society, Russia is “evil.”

Matt Franko said...

“And as always follow the money.”

I just don’t think it’s accurate to say the Obama people were primarily motivated by munnie....

Trump GOP: yes munnie

but Obama people no way...

Matt Franko said...

“the militant feminists and #MeToo bloodsuckers“

Yes That is the gender part of it...

Tom Hickey said...

I just don’t think it’s accurate to say the Obama people were primarily motivated by munnie...

With HRC as secretary of state when the Clinton Foundation received million of $ in "contributions" that involved conflict of interest?

Not to mention that US politics is dominated by special interests through campaign "contributions" and lobbying?

The US military is not only a conduit for military Keynesianism but a protection service for US capital, on one hand, and also a lever to open markets and control trade routes.

There is nothing about US policy that doesn't dovetail back to $, the contemporary "golden calf," which is the allegorical meaning of that symbol.

Interestingly, Wall Street is now adorned by a golden bull.

Tom Hickey said...

“the militant feminists and #MeToo bloodsuckers“

The parties will have their day in court.