Wednesday, November 25, 2015

Moon of Alabama — Was The U.S. Involved In The Turkish Attack Against The Russian Jet?

As usual, good info and insightful analysis by MoA.

Again the question arises, stupid or evil?

I am coming down on the side of evil, as in "evil empire."

Moon of Alabama
Was The U.S. Involved In The Turkish Attack Against The Russian Jet?

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Russia sent an advanced missile system to Syria on Wednesday to protect its jets operating there and pledged its air force would keep flying missions near Turkish air space, sounding a defiant note after Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet.

Underscoring the message, Russian forces launched a heavy bombardment against insurgent-held areas in Latakia on Wednesday, near where the jet was downed, rebels and a monitoring group said.…

President Tayyip Erdogan made no apology, saying his nation had simply been defending its own security and the "rights of our brothers in Syria". He made clear Turkish policy would not change.
Hard to believe that Erdogan would take this position without US backing.

Russia and Turkey refuse to back down in row over jet downing
Nick Tattersall And Vladimir Soldatkin

The navigator of the Russian Su-24 shot down by a Turkish fighter jet on Tuesday insists that his plane did not cross into Turkey’s airspace, and says he was given no visual or radio warning before being fired at.
As well as denying Ankara’s assertions that the plane was in Turkey’s airspace, Murakhtin, who says he knows the mission area "like the back of my hand," also refuted Turkish officials’ claims that the pilots were warned repeatedly.
“In actual fact, there were no warnings at all. Neither through the radio, nor visually, so we did not at any point adjust our course. You need to understand the difference in speed between a tactical bomber like a Su-24, and that of the F16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have sat on our wing,” said Murakhtin, who is currently recuperating at Russia’s airbase in Latakia, northern Syria.
“As it was, the missile hit the back of our plane out of nowhere. We didn’t even have time to make an evasive maneuver.”

As the plane was hit and went down in Syria, the two pilots ejected. Captain Sergey Rumyantsev was killed, with a rebel Turkmen brigade claiming they shot him to death while he was still parachuting.
Murakhtin was extracted in a 12-hour joint operation by Russian and Syrian special forces, in which a Russian marine died.
‘Turkish jets gave us no warning before shooting’ – rescued pilot of downed Russian Su-24

The biggest news of all is this. NATO unity is cracking.

NATO fails to show unanimity on Turkey’s shooting of Russian bomber - reports
The downing of the Russian warplane, which aggressively violated Syria’s sovereignty, is proof to the world of Turkish support for terrorism. This has been going on for years, the Syrian foreign minister said.
Turkey violated Syria sovereignty by attacking Su-24 in its airspace – Syrian FM

Russia is not considering stopping airstrikes on terrorist targets close to the Turkish border after the downing of its plane by Turkish fighter jets, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
“There is no such legal term ‘further from the Turkish border’. There is the term ‘Syrian airspace’. We would be happy if terrorists kept further from the Turkish border, but unfortunately they tend to stick just next to it,” he said.
Terrorists ‘stick to Turkish border’, Russia to continue targeting them – Kremlin

Russia has deployed a missile cruiser near Latakia and is ready to take down any aerial targets threatening its airbase near the Syrian city, with long-range surface-to-air missiles.
The move was announced on Tuesday after Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber conducting an anti-terrorist mission in Syria. Ankara claims it engaged the warplane over a violation of Turkey’s airspace, but Moscow denies any violation and accused Turkey of aiding terrorists in Syria.

The Moskva cruiser, stationed in Latakia as part of the military buildup, is a 11,500-ton, 186-meter warship serving as part of the Russian Black Sea fleet. In addition to anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine mortars and torpedoes, it has 64 Fort missiles, the naval version of the S-300 long-range air defense system. The missiles can engage targets at a range of up to 150km, which is enough to cover all of southern Turkey from Latakia.
Russian missile cruiser off Latakia coast, ready to destroy dangerous air targets - Defense Minister

  • Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
  • Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
  • Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended
Putting Erdogan and Co. on notice, NATO or not. Interpret that as Putin giving Obama the finger.

Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger

"S-400 will be deployed on Khmeimim airbase in Syria," [Russian Defense Minister] Shoigu said at a Defense Ministry meeting.…
The S-400 is Russia's most advanced anti-aircraft defense system. It is as an upgrade of the S-300 Growler family, designed and developed by Almaz Antei. The S-400 is employed to ensure air defense using long- and medium-range missiles that can hit aerial targets at ranges up to 400 kilometers. The S-400 is capable of hitting tactical and strategic aircraft as well as ballistic and cruise missiles. The system includes a set of radars, missile launchers and command posts, and is operated solely by the Russian military.
Moscow to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria


mike norman said...

Ha! This is what I said on Facebook and was attacked by everyone, even those opposed to U.S. policy in the region.

Tom Hickey said...

They are all drinking the Kool-Aid, Mike.

No one will see the stuff posted here in the US media, in fact, the spin will be the opposite.

People actually believe what they see on TV and read In the papers and magazines.

Matt Franko said...

They didnt know the F-16 was there?