Rather than a great mystery, the parachuting of Hess is much more an explanation about the historical reality that transpires in the most obvious way, thanks to the 180 degrees change of behavior by the US about its involvement in the war after the event. Because History was written by those who won the war, what it will fail to explain, or even mention, is that England and the USA had totally different reasons for the funding of Adolf’s diabolical plans. While England wanted Germany to crush every other minor colonial empire to consolidate its own, destroy the dangerous Soviet Union and also deport every European Jew to Palestine to create Israel to finally implement the 1917 Balfour resolution, the objectives of the American banks were definitely not the same as those of the Bank of England. As a matter of fact, one of them was diametrically opposed: they had financed Hitler to crush the British Colonial Empire, and completely take over the role of the hegemonic leaders of the New World Order. Reduced to a much simpler formula, Wall Street sought to replace the Rothschild. By invading England and especially the City of London, a tiny part of the capital that works as an independent state, Hitler would’ve destroyed the Rothschild empire. The City of London was the world’s financial power center and wealthiest square mile on the planet that hosts the Bank of England, the Lloyd’s of London, the London stock exchange, and every other British bank. Everything points to the fact that American bankers and industrials had armed Hitler to the teeth to give a deathblow straight in the heart of the British Empire financial system.
Against all we were taught in school, WW2 is in its essence a triangle of treasons between the great Anglo-Saxon allies in their quest of the world economical and political dominance, and their German proxy. Since history has a tendency to repeat itself, the war in Syria is a carbon-copy replica of WW2, with Daesh playing the Nazis, and the same Western coalition that had to put their boots on the ground when its proxy army began to fail against, once more, Russia.
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“Sylvain Laforest does say his conclusions are speculative, but he thinks he has got it about right.” ~ Kaivey
Speculative indeed. Laforest makes some questionable assumptions, which I shall address in a moment.
Regarding the Hess incident, it is only a “mystery” when viewed through the lens of British lies. Same for the “miracle at Dunkirk.” For nine days and nights the Germans “mysteriously” sat and watched nearly 350,000 Allied soldiers peacefully evacuate from Dunkirk Beach. Indeed for over a month the Germans “mysteriously” sat and watched as Allied soldiers peacefully departed from all of France. On 10–13 June 1940, 11,059 Allied troops departed from La Havre (“Operation Cycle”). On 14–25 June 1940, another 191,870 Allied soldiers departed from Cherbourg and St. Malo (“Operation Ariel”). All told, nearly half a million Allied troops peacefully departed from France. The previous month, Hitler had “mysteriously” let 25,000 Allied troops peacefully depart from Norway after the Germans had defeated them.
All these are only “mysteries” if we believe the claim that Hitler was a “madman who wanted to conquer the world and gas all the Jews.”
The “mysteries” are resolved when we admit that these were peace offerings by Hitler, who never wanted war with the UK or USA.
Some liars like lifelong Nazi-basher William Shirer (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) claim that during those 39 days of peaceful Allied evacuations from France, the Allies were constantly strafed and bombed by the Germans.
Such lies gratify Anglo-American vanity, just like the myth of the six million.™
The British government knew (because Hitler had told them) that no Allied troops would be fired on if they departed from France. Therefore in the nine-day operation at Dunkirk alone, over 700 private boats sailed from Ramsgate England to Dunkirk France. (British warships and troop transports also took part.) Do you think those 700 private boats would have come if the Germans had bombed and strafed them like Shirer claims? Nonsense.
Likewise the Hess “mystery” vanishes when we admit that this was yet another German peace offering. Hitler had repeatedly pledged to withdraw from all German-occupied areas of Western Europe, and pledged to never challenge any British colonial possessions overseas, if England would pledge to be neutral regarding Germany’s dealing with the USSR. Churchill rejected all these peace offerings. Churchill also rejected a detailed treaty brought to England by Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess on 10 May 1941, which was also the first day that Churchill became PM.
After the Allied troops had peacefully departed from France, Churchill ordered a terror-bombing campaign against German civilians. Hitler refused to respond, hoping that his restraint would prove to the British people that he wanted peace with the UK. The British terror bombing continued for a month until the German people finally demanded that Hitler retaliate. Even then, Hitler did not target civilians like Churchill did. Instead, Hitler targeted military airstrips in England. Eventually Hitler targeted weapons and munitions factories, always hoping that the British would agree to an armistice. Finally, after five months, Hitler called off his British campaign and turned to the east, where Stalin was days away from launching an invasion and conquest of all Europe. Churchill had been brought to his knees, but declared a “victory.”
I am not defending Nazi Germany. I am defending the truth. History only becomes “mysterious” when we distort it with self-serving lies.
Many members of the British nobility and British public wanted a negotiated peace with Germany. Churchill, however, was confident he could get the USA involved in the war, and that Soviet forces would exhaust German forces. Therefore Churchill concealed all of Hitler’s peace offerings, and ordered Hess imprisoned and silenced. The “mysteries” were born.
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Regarding the article above, it is based on the oft-repeated claim that the Allies (or the Jews) “financed” Hitler and Nazi Germany. The supposed motive for this “financing” depends on who you ask. For Sylvain Laforest, the USA “financed” Nazi Germany in order to destroy the British Empire.
“Wall Street sought to replace the Rothschild. Everything points to the fact that American bankers and industrials had armed Hitler to the teeth to give a deathblow straight in the heart of the British Empire financial system.”
Cute, but childish. All these claims that Nazi Germany was “financed” by Jews, or by the USA, or by some other outside interests, are premised on the false belief that it would have been impossible for the National Socialists to revitalize the German economy by themselves.
Yes the National Socialists controlled the government and the banks (including the central bank) and the corporate media outlets. Yes the National Socialists made myriad international agreements to receive raw materials from various nations, and exchange them for manufactured products from Germany. (Germany even had trade agreements with the USSR, and abided by them until direct hostilities began).
But all this is irrelevant, according to Sylvain Laforest, who says the USA “funded” National Socialist Germany and “armed it to the teeth” in order to destroy Britain.
Please. It is true that many American industrial and banking interests had investments in Germany, but their purpose was simply to make money, not to “finance” Germany.
Germany “financed” itself. The National Socialists controlled the government, the banks, the monetary system, the media outlets, and so on. They put millions of Germans to work, and built them affordable housing. They swept away the corrupt labor unions and replaced them with the German Labor Front. They made Germany into a manufacturing powerhouse.
Given all this and more, what need did Germany have for outside “financing”?
Moreover, as I see it, the U.S. campaign was not against the U.K., but against the USSR, which the USA had vilified before and after the war. The Anglo-American plan was to let Germany and the USSR exhaust each other in war, so the Anglo-Americans could grab the spoils -- which is exactly what happened.
These claims that National Socialist Germany was “financed” by Jews, or by Wall Street, or by whatever persist because they tickle the imagination. They make the claimants seem “insightful.”
They remind me of Glenn Beck when he had a show on Fox News. Beck would draw all sorts of crazy things on a chalkboard, and then draw lines that connected them, using spurious gibberish. I took him to be schizophrenic. Eventually people tired of Beck’s nonsense, and Fox fired him.
Later Beck had a blog in which he called himself a conservative Republican, while using Democrat talking points to continually attack Trump. Again he crashed and burned. On 28 Aug 2010 Beck embarrassed himself with his “Restoring Honor” rally at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. – which was a bunch of hot air about nothing.
Anyway, I apologize, but Sylvain Laforest has not convinced me.
I put this up with you in mind, Konrad. I find this subject really interesting but scary because I hate the Western ruling elite so much that I don't want to make the mistake of seeing Hitler as an innocent victim. I want to get it right. Can you recommend a good book, or video. But I thought the Greatest Story Never Told was full of what the documentary maker wanted to believe.
What about the Nazi concatenation camps in Africa and the crimes committed there? I might put a post up about it.
'I object to self-righteous delusions.'. The same as me, Konrad. You're right, Konrad, it was Namibia, which would have had nothing to do with Hitler.
I'm still confused about Hutler, he designed the Nazi Swastika because it was menacing, and yet he was a vegetarian. The Nazis passed laws banning cruel animal experiments, and yet later on they built a dirty hydrogen bomb and tested it on prisoners of war.
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“Greed is destroying the US economy.”
Yes, because human greed is all about getting more, while making sure that others gets less. Among people who seek to enhance their feelings of wealth, it is usually easier to starve others than to create something useful for all.
Put another way, it is not enough for oligarchs that they get rich. Oligarchs are not happy unless everyone else becomes poor.
“All empires fall after all. And Donald Trump is accelerating the process” ~ Rania Khalek
Whoa. I agreed with Rania up until that last point, where she lapsed into Trump Derangement Syndrome. To pretend that Trump alone is accelerating the USA’s decline is to pretend that neoliberal Democrats are innocent. Had Hillary been crowned, we might already have had a nuclear war.
I’m no fan of Trump, but everything he has done has been a continuation of what his predecessors did.
Rania, get a grip.
This is RT, not CNN.
My bad. The above comment was meant for a different post.
“I'm still confused about Hitler, He designed the Nazi Swastika because it was menacing, and yet he was a vegetarian. The Nazis passed laws banning cruel animal experiments, and yet later on they built a dirty hydrogen bomb and tested it on prisoners of war.” ~ Kaivey
The swastika has been used by countless societies worldwide for millennia. We see it on Buddhist icons and Native American dwellings. We see it everywhere in India. In Europe it was a symbol for good luck and auspiciousness. In the USA it was a symbol of good luck until WW II.
Hitler chose the swastika because it was the symbol used by “Aryans,” as Indo-Iranian peoples called themselves. “Aryan” meant “noble.” Hitler felt that the NSDAP party needed a graphic symbol for the sake of political unity, so he came up with the Nazi flag. The Soviet red star served the same political purpose. American planes and vehicles had a white star. Israelis used a six-pointed blue star. And so on. Italians under Mussolini used a fasces. Christians have their cross, Hindus their Om symbol, Buddhists their wheel of dharma, homosexuals their rainbow flag, etc etc. All tribes and nations have a flag or a symbol. The Nazi flag was red, white, and black because those were the colors of the Old German Empire.
Today the swastika is “evil” in the West, because Germany lost the war. However you can still see swastikas on old buildings. At least, the buildings that Jews have not ordered destroyed.
Back in December 2014, Jews screamed when an independent discount store carried Christmas gift wrapping paper whose design included Asian-style swastikas. (The wrapping paper was made in China.) The store apologized to the Jews, and burned all the paper.
The same thing happened when Hallmark Inc. sold gift wrapping paper whose pattern could be seen as somewhat swastika-like. The design is very common in China, where the paper was made. Hallmark apologized to the Jews, and burned all the paper. You can see an image here…
https://nypost.com/2014/12/09/hallmark-pulls-hanukkah-wrapping-paper-covered-in-swastika/
“The Nazis passed laws banning cruel animal experiments, and yet later on they built a dirty hydrogen bomb and tested it on prisoners of war.” ~ Kaivey
The Nazis built an H-bomb? Where did you hear that? The USA did not have a workable H-bomb until the 1950s. Moreover H-bombs use tritium gas, and are “clean” compared to regular atomic bombs.
I'm amazed at your breadth of knowledge, Konrad, yet I remain skeptical of your "six million™ genocide" denial.
Why do you even care? Are not the Germans known for efficiency? And were not Jews disproportionately* involved in banking, the true cause of the Great Depression? 65,000 or 6,000,000, murder is still murder.
*Because Christians were forbidden to engage in usury as late as the 1920's, iirc, as far as Roman Catholics are concerned.
There was a book on it, Konrad, but i can't find any reference to it now. I've just read this article which says that the Nazis never developed an atomic bomb.
http://vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/brau/H182/Term%20papers%20%2702/Matt%20E.htm
“Why do you even care?”
I care about truth, because we cannot make a better world as long as we keep lying to ourselves and to each other. We cannot end atrocities as long as we justify, rationalize, or deny our own atrocities. We must be honest about what happened and did not happen.
When people defend the six million™ lie, I might ask them, “Why do you even care?” They care because the six million™ lie is a get-out-of-jail-free card. No matter how evil we become, we remain saints compared to the Nahtzees. Therefore we are free to commit as many atrocities as we like.
To me this is not acceptable.
"Murder is still murder."
Agreed, but some people think their lives are worth more than other people’s lives. For example, because of the "six million”™ lie, the murder of Palestinians is not called murder.
The “six million”™ hoax is only one example among many. I object to lies and hypocrisy wherever they occur. A couple of days go I criticized the Alexander-the-Great hoax, which claims that Alexander of Macedon “conquered the entire known world by age 30.” This is racist bullsh-t, designed to justify the West’s “superiority” over the East. The truth is that Alexander simply cruised around an empire (the Achaemenid Empire) that already existed. In doing so, he renamed nearly 100 cities after himself, and a couple of cities after his stupid horse.
For greatness, I look to someone like Spartacus and his slave revolt.
There was a much larger and bloodier slave revolt in the Abbasid Caliphate, which raged for 14 years (869 AD until 883 AD).
See Wikipedia…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion
They care because the six million™ lie is a get-out-of-jail-free card. No matter how evil we become, we remain saints compared to the Nahtzees. Therefore we are free to commit as many atrocities as we like. Konrad
Then being slaves in Egypt gave the Hebrews a right to mistreat aliens themselves? Yet the Bible commands that BECAUSE the Hebrews had been aliens themselves that they should not mistreat aliens - that is not aliens who were not under the ban for such things as burning their children alive to Molech but ordinary, generally decent aliens from the surrounding nations.
I suggest the world's nations should cede some territory and some finance to comfortably settle the Palestinians elsewhere or the Jews for that matter if their origin should prove to be not the Middle East.
Or let two stubborn peoples fight it out if neither will leave and let the rest of the world quit paying attention.
The Jews' origin is not the Middle East. Konrad
I'm still waiting for John's genetic evidence for that. His silence is getting rather deafening.
You assume that Palestinians confined to the Gaza Death Camp, for example, are military equals to their Israeli captors and torturers. ibid
No, I assume that if they are too stubborn to leave for a comfortable existence elsewhere and if they refuse to accept what may actually be a prior claim to the land then why should I be concerned about their fate? Is land something to die for if one has other options?
In any case, if “quit paying attention” means totally cutting off all support to Israel, then I’m all for it. ibid
Sure, why not? Jews cannot privately support their own people?? As well as receive donations from Christians too?
"I'm still waiting for John's genetic evidence for that. His silence is getting rather deafening."
I don’t know who “John” is, but Shlomo Sand in his The Invention of the Jewish People explains that the genetic origin of Jews is problematic and controversial. However it is clear that there is little or no genetic connection between today’s Jews (especially Ashkenazis) and ancient Judeans. Nor is there any historical evidence that ancient Jews were forcibly expelled from ancient Judea following the Bar Kokhba revolt [circa 132–136 CE].
Mr. Sand accounts for the appearance of millions of Jews around the Mediterranean and elsewhere as a product of the religious conversion of local people, saying that (contrary to popular opinion) Judaism was very much a "converting religion" in former times. Such mass conversions continued until Christianity rose to dominance in the fourth century CE. Thus, a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed.
There’s a helpful Wikipedia article on genetic studies of Jews…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
Frankly I am not interest in Jewish genetics issues. I’m interested in ending the horrendous Jewish policies against Palestinians.
“I assume that if they are too stubborn to leave for a comfortable existence elsewhere and if they refuse to accept what may actually be a prior claim to the land then why should I be concerned about their fate? Is land something to die for if one has other options?”
They are prevented from leaving the Gaza Death Camp, which is the world’s largest prison. Before the Death Camp was built in 2005, some 8.5 million Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their homeland, and were expelled to 34 different nations worldwide. There are half a million in Chile, for example. See the link below and scroll down to “population figures”…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_diaspora
In any case, it is arrogant to ask why Palestinians don’t leave Palestine. “We Jewish invaders have the right to slaughter you natives at will. If you don’t leave, then it’s your fault that we slaughter you.”
“Jews cannot privately support their own people?? As well as receive donations from Christians too?”
No. The Israeli parasite would quickly perish without Goy host nations such as the USA.
You will see this for yourself if you are still here when the USA collapses.
“those 39 days of peaceful Allied evacuations from France, the Allies were constantly strafed and bombed by the Germans. “
That’s exactly what the recent movie “Dunkirk” depicted....
They are prevented from leaving the Gaza Death Camp, Konrad
So it seems. But it's not just a simple matter of peace loving Palestinians wishing to leave else why does even Egypt have a closed border with Gaza, citing security concerns?
Two stubborn peoples fighting over dirt with innocents caught in between. They should both be ashamed.
The mythical Jewish Old Testament is not historical “proof” of anything. Konrad
Well, it does predict cosmic expansion about 3000 years before Hubble did.
Bible search "stretch heaven"
“So it seems. But it's not just a simple matter of peace loving Palestinians wishing to leave else why does even Egypt have a closed border with Gaza, citing security concerns?”
The Egyptian government helps the Israeli government by keeping Palestinians confined to the Gaza Death Camp. The Israeli government helps the Egyptian government by keeping opponents of the Egyptian government from establishing a stronghold in the Sinai area. The two governments work closely together. The Saudi government also works with the Israeli government, but has no formal relations with the Israeli government.
In all cases, Palestinians remain victims. And since Palestinians are the weaker power, they are called “terrorists.” Even your beloved Jewish Old Testament vilified Palestinians, but used the Arabic word “Philistines.” Goliath was a Philistine, as were Samson’s enemies.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
Some sh-t never changes. Ancient Rome called foreigners “barbarians.” Europeans called Native Americans “savages.” Israel and the West call their victims “terrorists” and “human shields.” Same sh-it; different day.
There's great power in keeping one's word as the Hebrews did with the Gibeonites until Saul, in his misplaced zeal, persecuted them and angered God. For that, the Gibeonites asked for, and received the surviving sons of Saul to execute.
Beloved Old Testament? Yes, because of such things as you keep your freely given word, even to infidels. Does the Koran command as much? Or, unless this is slander, are Muslims allowed to lie to infidels? Thereby making it impossible to trust them?
I regard all forms of religious dogma as mental illness, and not worthy of discussion.
Moreover your revered Old Testament was written by Jews for Jews. I am not a Jew. Therefore it means nothing to me. Nor does the six million™ lie.
You may have the last word in this thread.
Go for it.
I've said enough and perhaps too much.
Have a good night.
And thanks for an interesting conversation. I learned some things.
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